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    Quote Originally Posted by ENTP2L View Post
    Oh we can read people; very well in fact.
    yes, often I get told I can't read people very well, because the way I've responded to what I read wasn't what was expected. Because I don't always say what someone wants or expects to hear they call it tactlessness. But I'm not just reading the person, that's the thing. I tend to be reading the entire situation, and what I say isn't just aimed at making the person feel good, it's aimed at improving the entire situation, for them and for everyone. And sometimes taking the longview means you look like the bad guy initially (or just the idiot!)... people usually see my point though, eventually...

    I remember when my aunt said to me when I was about 12, "Oh you're so tactless!" and I was mortally offended. Not because I thought it was a bad thing to be tactless necessarily but because I'd actually said what I said QUITE ON PURPOSE, and I was chagrined to have my witty and astute observation mistaken for sheer blundering social spazzness because it wasn't what she expected to hear!

    I'm less mean than I used to be by a long way, I've mellowed a lot. But a similar process happens still, nowadays. Though much less often.
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    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)


    The one that stands out. Either the outcast or the center of attention.

    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)


    I rarely pay attention to my appearance because I am not type 3. And I don't blend in, so its pretty easy to notice me.

    3. Why are you guys so awesome?

    Because we do what we think.


    4. What do you think of INFPs?

    They are good. i have some INFP tendencies myself, when I am not in my ruthless machiavellian mode.

    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?

    I tke uncalculated risks when I believe a situation can lead to greater potential, this makes our type more similar to ESTPs than any other type, except I have some idea where I am getting at while ESTPs just like to destroy themselves. Think of Caesar when he said the die is cast. Not all entps are like this though.

    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.

    It means he is into you and want you to make the first move.

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    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)

    Varies, by the situation and the mood I'm no attention-seeker. I just joke around, and I don't think in terms of getting "attention". When I get attention, I did it because I felt like it, and I wanted to do something that's appreciated by people around me.. not because I'd want to lift my great persona or anything. I'm really not stuck to the mood of entertainer either. I get deep, intimate, personal too, listening someone.. I'm not someone who just listens endlessly tho, I want to keep the conversation going on all the time, to really learn and experience something, and not just throw some meaningless chit-chat.

    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)
    I've been said to have self-confidence issues online, but RL people think is me as truly confident, strong person, tho I'm not pushing my power anywhere. I can just use it to relax and enjoy whatever I'm doing, rather carefree.

    Then again, I guess I'm seen as independent (which I am, extremely so).. funny, which I am, in person..less so online.

    I'm seen as intelligent, as well.. tho not someone who's pushing it. Intelligent people who start conversations with me, notice that side, too. Otherwise, it may be harder to notice.

    Perhaps I'm seen as eager to please occasionally, which I'm not.. and I guess most people think I excite the general mood around me, if it's been dull, and loosen up, if it's been tight. So I guess they think I do a lot to make the mood good.. then on other times, I'm seen as borderline antisocial, when I don't approve of some situation.

    3. Why are you guys so awesome?

    I wouldn't have a clue unless I were told about it, but people say they like me for being funny, intelligent, extroverted, entertaining.. they like to listen to me, and see someone with zero social anxiety.

    4. What do you think of INFPs?
    My last crush was with INFP, and my girlfriend-for-half-a-year is near-INFP, I think she's INTP. They're lovely, fascinating folks, deep and intelligent, very much in touch with what's good and worthwhile. I've really enjoyed my conversations with them, and wished for more.

    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?
    We're possibly the most social, and also most artisan-like.

    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.

    What gaze?

    Sometimes I'm so detached from here-and-now, it's as if I was watching a screen. I guess I do "the gaze" when evaluating something from a detached perspective. But .. I don't know there is an ENTP gaze?
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    I think I need to make a mental note never to accuse an ENTP of trying to bring attention to themselves. Almost all the ENTPs so far have said something about this.

    I don't really think you guys do it for the sake of getting attention, you just say whatever the hell you want to say and people are drawn to that; I certainly am.
    Quote Originally Posted by ENTP2L View Post
    Oh we can read people; very well in fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    yes, often I get told I can't read people very well, because the way I've responded to what I read wasn't what was expected. Because I don't always say what someone wants or expects to hear they call it tactlessness. But I'm not just reading the person, that's the thing. I tend to be reading the entire situation, and what I say isn't just aimed at making the person feel good, it's aimed at improving the entire situation, for them and for everyone. And sometimes taking the longview means you look like the bad guy initially (or just the idiot!)... people usually see my point though, eventually...

    I remember when my aunt said to me when I was about 12, "Oh you're so tactless!" and I was mortally offended. Not because I thought it was a bad thing to be tactless necessarily but because I'd actually said what I said QUITE ON PURPOSE, and I was chagrined to have my witty and astute observation mistaken for sheer blundering social spazzness because it wasn't what she expected to hear!

    I'm less mean than I used to be by a long way, I've mellowed a lot. But a similar process happens still, nowadays. Though much less often.
    Interesting. I often feel like ENTPs lack tact as well but I guess i really am only thinking of it in terms of what I think tact is. As for the reading of people, this makes me pretty nervous. ENTPs shouldn't have this ability!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)


    The one that stands out. Either the outcast or the center of attention.

    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)


    I rarely pay attention to my appearance because I am not type 3. And I don't blend in, so its pretty easy to notice me.

    3. Why are you guys so awesome?

    Because we do what we think.


    4. What do you think of INFPs?

    They are good. i have some INFP tendencies myself, when I am not in my ruthless machiavellian mode.

    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?

    I tke uncalculated risks when I believe a situation can lead to greater potential, this makes our type more similar to ESTPs than any other type, except I have some idea where I am getting at while ESTPs just like to destroy themselves. Think of Caesar when he said the die is cast. Not all entps are like this though.

    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.

    It means he is into you and want you to make the first move.
    Thankyou for your contribution. I would shudder to think I would have to make the first move. Lol, that would be extremely awkward for everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)

    Varies, by the situation and the mood I'm no attention-seeker. I just joke around, and I don't think in terms of getting "attention". When I get attention, I did it because I felt like it, and I wanted to do something that's appreciated by people around me.. not because I'd want to lift my great persona or anything. I'm really not stuck to the mood of entertainer either. I get deep, intimate, personal too, listening someone.. I'm not someone who just listens endlessly tho, I want to keep the conversation going on all the time, to really learn and experience something, and not just throw some meaningless chit-chat.

    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)
    I've been said to have self-confidence issues online, but RL people think is me as truly confident, strong person, tho I'm not pushing my power anywhere. I can just use it to relax and enjoy whatever I'm doing, rather carefree.

    Then again, I guess I'm seen as independent (which I am, extremely so).. funny, which I am, in person..less so online.

    I'm seen as intelligent, as well.. tho not someone who's pushing it. Intelligent people who start conversations with me, notice that side, too. Otherwise, it may be harder to notice.

    Perhaps I'm seen as eager to please occasionally, which I'm not.. and I guess most people think I excite the general mood around me, if it's been dull, and loosen up, if it's been tight. So I guess they think I do a lot to make the mood good.. then on other times, I'm seen as borderline antisocial, when I don't approve of some situation.

    3. Why are you guys so awesome?

    I wouldn't have a clue unless I were told about it, but people say they like me for being funny, intelligent, extroverted, entertaining.. they like to listen to me, and see someone with zero social anxiety.

    4. What do you think of INFPs?
    My last crush was with INFP, and my girlfriend-for-half-a-year is near-INFP, I think she's INTP. They're lovely, fascinating folks, deep and intelligent, very much in touch with what's good and worthwhile. I've really enjoyed my conversations with them, and wished for more.

    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?
    We're possibly the most social, and also most artisan-like.

    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.

    What gaze?

    Sometimes I'm so detached from here-and-now, it's as if I was watching a screen. I guess I do "the gaze" when evaluating something from a detached perspective. But .. I don't know there is an ENTP gaze?
    Interesting, I see this gaze pretty often. Whether you are looking at me or at some random object its definitely there. Makes me wonder what you could possibly find so interesting... So you are just concocting some crazy plan in your head then?

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    We find everything interesting, and many times, the "object" that we are looking at sparks a myriad of other thoughts. So, yes, we may be concocting a crazy plan or we may just be spacing out: or, god forbid, both. As far as tact goes, it's not that we lack it, somethings (or most of the times) we just ignore it. In situations where I see a problem that needs to be addressed, I address it, directly, and swiftly. And if peoples feelings are hurt in the process, I view it as collateral damage (part of the reason I'm going to be a lawyer).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)
    Not so much the center of attention as a catalyst. Most of the time I am talking a lot, but not all the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)
    Well, my friends describe me as funny, entertaining, an optimist, intelligent, laid-back,...
    My enemies, however, say I am untactful, don`t care about people`s emotions, lazy,...
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    3. Why are you guys so awesome?
    Because we can read you quite well and say things you want to hear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    4. What do you think of INFPs?
    I don`t know any INFPs in real life, but you guys strike me as a really nice people on line
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?
    We are more ingenious, original and ofcourse much better looking
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.
    It`s a look of doom ! Just kidding. Actually it is just mind-reading rays, no need to worry about it Than again, maybe it is love

    And good luck with your ENTP!

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    Hi

    I'm assuming you were looking for answers from the guys but for my 2p worth...


    1. Which person are you in the crowd? (Y'know, are you the center of attention or the listener...maybe the catalyst that keeps the conversation going?)

    > bizarly I often am, but I think that's becasue I'm not very comfortable in large groups so I get loud and lary. I am not relaxed. I'm better in smaller more intimate groups especally with people I know well, thats when I really enjoy myself.


    2. How do you think you appear to others? (If you are not an ENTP: how do they appear to you?)

    > warm and friendly, but edgy and argumentative too, this seem to have got worse as I get older. I'm alway the one who ends up discussing sensitive subject and am like a red rag to a bull

    3. Why are you guys so awesome?

    > I'm not sure we are, we have Panache but then lots of people do. I think we ahve a degree of sparkle because we are absorbed in ourself and self refernce which makes us appear couragous

    4. What do you think of INFPs?

    > Not sure I've consiouly met one. The I like ENFP's

    5. What sets you apart from the other NTs that can help discern you from them?

    > We are not controling like Js, but we are also very untidy. We are also a less likely to present ourselves smartly. In terms fo INTP's well we are probably more confusing as we think outloud.... this means we are still formulating our point of view as we discuss them. Personally I often have real trouble articulating my N....which is off the scale.

    6. Finally, if there is an answer for this I have to know: What does that penetrating gaze mean? It drives me nuts.

    > Gazing can jsut being sussign people out, or it can mean allure dependign on an when it is focused. It can also be penetrating to try and find out the truth or motivations others have. Somtiems it's just noseyness.

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    1. (Which person in the crowd?)

    Sometimes the center of attention. The challenger. The motivator. The teacher. The entertainer. The observer.

    2. (How do I appear to others?)

    I'm being earnest, but I think I appear to be confident, creative, intelligent, and mysterious. Also weird and sometimes a bit dark. Dumb, too, depending on how goofy I'm being at the time.

    3. (Why so awesome?)

    We are pioneers that inspire and entertain people. You can always expect something new and something great. Plus, we are good at everything we do, even if we barely try.

    4. (What do you think about INFPs?)

    Sometimes too fragile, however, they are usually not as egotistical as me. They are loyal and caring, giving me the attention that I crave, since they like to listen and I like to talk. I love the depth, the will to learn and explore things, and the creative tendencies. I think a relationship with an INFP would be good in a lot of ways, and challenging. However, I think it would be the kind of challenge that would frustrate me more than excite me. But, you never know. Everybody is unique.

    5. (Discerning from other NTs)

    Always sharing random ideas. Changes mind a lot and often seems contradictory. Will start on something right away but might not finish it. Making experiments out of what look like normal activities.

    6. (Penetrating gaze?)

    It means "I'm fucking with you and you're going to like it because I'm a genius."
    "When a resolute young fellow steps up the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find that it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit
    4. What do you think of INFPs?


    I feel them big time.
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