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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    i didn't read everything, but simply but, J's just like asking "what's the point". INTJ's don't like entertaining things without a clear end, INTP's do.
    I am an INTJ and say this is fairly spot on. I actually attempt to engage people (at times) socially. Its strange that most people dont ask what I do or inquire about any personal information. To me, I could have this type of conversation with a chair in my house. I get bored pretty quickly trying to invent a line of dialogue. I am the one usually asking questions.,,,and being frustrated by the (lack of) answers. We definitely need a muse/conduit to keep our interest...or the "whats the point" will kick in. We then retire back to our thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    Based on personal experiences as an INTP....

    If either xNTP or xNTJ tend to be shy, they won't come out as someone interesting. Take note, the sensors don't really have that much a clear line of distinction in distinguising one rational from the other.

    However given an outspoken xNTP versus an outspoken xNTJ, I'll give a bit of an edge to the xNTP.

    In my personal observation, the only time a xNTJ becomes really glaringly interesting is when he suffers from a bit of personal insecurity that he needs to jack up his J funtion in an outspoken manner to prove that he's right, often times creating a persona of being an intellectual ass.

    Not that xNTP doesn't suffer from the same thing. Actually, any NT can really make anyone look stupid.

    The reason why xNTP can have an edge is because of the P function, defined by the Ne/Ti axis.

    Ne/Ti is rare, even among the geek realm.

    You can have that many rationals having a strong Si because that's what they're socially conditioned to have. And you can have so many rationals having a strong Te, because that's the 'academic' way of thinking.

    In this sense, we can imagine an xNTJ as an evolved xSTJ because it's like a progression from being the soldierboy to the commander-in-chief.

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    But xNTP is a rarity. It's hardly socially conditioned. Ti can hardly be 100% objectified (that's what Te is trying to do, but it realistically represent Ti).

    And when Ne plays with Ti, it comes out as something mystical. Not only it is rare, but is also hardly defineable.

    That's why an outspoken xNTP comes out really interesting, at least in my case. Not necessarily likeable, but then again, it's a rarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackOp View Post
    I am an INTJ and say this is a fairly spot on. I actually attempt to engage people (at times) socially. Its strange that most people dont ask what I do or inquire about any personal information. To me, I could have this type of conversation with a chair in my house. I get bored pretty quickly trying to invent a line of dialogue. I am the one usually asking questions.,,,and being frustrated by the (lack of) answers. We definitely need a muse/conduit to keep our interest...or the "whats the point" will kick in. We then retire back to our thoughts.
    This I agree with. I want to engage in interesting conversations of any fashion, but lack of "feedback" causes my interest to go down in flames. I don't like digging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    Based on personal experiences as an INTP....

    If either xNTP or xNTJ tend to be shy, they won't come out as someone interesting. Take note, the sensors don't really have that much a clear line of distinction in distinguising one rational from the other.

    However given an outspoken xNTP versus an outspoken xNTJ, I'll give a bit of an edge to the xNTP.

    In my personal observation, the only time a xNTJ becomes really glaringly interesting is when he suffers from a bit of personal insecurity that he needs to jack up his J funtion in an outspoken manner to prove that he's right, often times creating a persona of being an intellectual ass.

    Not that xNTP doesn't suffer from the same thing. Actually, any NT can really make anyone look stupid.

    The reason why xNTP can have an edge is because of the P function, defined by the Ne/Ti axis.

    Ne/Ti is rare, even among the geek realm.

    You can have that many rationals having a strong Si because that's what they're socially conditioned to have. And you can have so many rationals having a strong Te, because that's the 'academic' way of thinking.

    In this sense, we can imagine an xNTJ as an evolved xSTJ because it's like a progression from being the soldierboy to the commander-in-chief.

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    But xNTP is a rarity. It's hardly socially conditioned. Ti can hardly be 100% objectified (that's what Te is trying to do, but it realistically represent Ti).

    And when Ne plays with Ti, it comes out as something mystical. Not only it is rare, but is also hardly defineable.

    That's why an outspoken xNTP comes out really interesting, at least in my case. Not necessarily likeable, but then again, it's a rarity.
    As someone else said....what?

    I don't follow your logic on INTJ's here at all, even masking it as xNTJ. Also like to point out INTJ is more rare then every other type save INFJ which is about equal.

    Analyze Ni/Te and there is some food for thought for interesting "outcomes".

    Anyways....yeah...think I'm done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
    This I agree with. I want to engage in interesting conversations of any fashion, but lack of "feedback" causes my interest to go down in flames. I don't like digging.
    I actually find myself in this position a lot too, it is the reason why I find myself too often trying to create distance from most people. I want to be engaged, but my peers seem few and far between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    Based on personal experiences as an INTP....

    If either xNTP or xNTJ tend to be shy, they won't come out as someone interesting. Take note, the sensors don't really have that much a clear line of distinction in distinguising one rational from the other.

    However given an outspoken xNTP versus an outspoken xNTJ, I'll give a bit of an edge to the xNTP.

    In my personal observation, the only time a xNTJ becomes really glaringly interesting is when he suffers from a bit of personal insecurity that he needs to jack up his J funtion in an outspoken manner to prove that he's right, often times creating a persona of being an intellectual ass.

    Not that xNTP doesn't suffer from the same thing. Actually, any NT can really make anyone look stupid.

    The reason why xNTP can have an edge is because of the P function, defined by the Ne/Ti axis.

    Ne/Ti is rare, even among the geek realm.

    You can have that many rationals having a strong Si because that's what they're socially conditioned to have. And you can have so many rationals having a strong Te, because that's the 'academic' way of thinking.

    In this sense, we can imagine an xNTJ as an evolved xSTJ because it's like a progression from being the soldierboy to the commander-in-chief.

    .
    Well, I can say this wasnt written by an INTJ. We dont "create a persona" in order to appear correct...we ARE correct/have an educated vantage or dont bother to comment. There is no arrogance involved/intended.....just pragmatic reduction others misconstrue as arrogance. This is why we are the most misunderstood type...we just want shit to make sense. I would venture to say INTJs enjoy/embrace being wrong more than any other type. Just doesnt happen very often.......
    "A species of perfection and fantasy"......

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    this is very interesting information about INTJ's guys. someone who loves an interesting conversation but doesn't like digging for them. sounds like the perfect match for an ENFP! if anything, i'm known to some of my friends as being smothering. i love discussion too, especially about new, difficult theories that just blow my mind. INTJ's may get bored of my small talk though, but i guess it's different when you're close. INTJ's can be fiercely loyal and loving to those who are close and ENFP's put in effort to make a relationship work. o INTJ's why must you be so rare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    this is very interesting information about INTJ's guys. someone who loves an interesting conversation but doesn't like digging for them. sounds like the perfect match for an ENFP! if anything, i'm known to some of my friends as being smothering. i love discussion too, especially about new, difficult theories that just blow my mind. INTJ's may get bored of my small talk though, but i guess it's different when you're close. INTJ's can be fiercely loyal and loving to those who are close and ENFP's put in effort to make a relationship work. o INTJ's why must you be so rare?
    Cause we kick ass...the world's that is. It couldn't handle to many of us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
    Cause we kick ass...the world's that is. It couldn't handle to many of us

    World domination!
    WORLD DOMINATION!




































    sorry, ENFP's have to be part of everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    WORLD DOMINATION!


    sorry, ENFP's have to be part of everything
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