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    Default NTs, how do you deal with Reality...

    Let's face it. Our Sensing function usually doesn't get any development until our 30s, at the earliest.

    How do you deal with the real world of names, dates, and stubbed toes?
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    Default Reality. Really?

    I read it here yesterday and it was as though a light went off over my head. I have what I always thought was a very un-NT ability to out fact & figure & statistic my ISTJ husband.

    Stubbed toes I deal with by screaming. Loudly. Often. I take it bumping yourself, stubbing your toe and dropping things are not uncommon? </clumsy>

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    Names...I try to talk to the person in a fashion where using their name is unnecessary. Dates...I don't know.

    Stubbed toes generally involve me insulting myself/swearing under my breath until it stops hurting.
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    I'm 22 and I've never dated. I have the NT tendency to worry about incompetence. I try to understand the nature of sociability intellectually, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

    How I deal with reality: I try to resist it -- engage in activities such as video games, movies, reading (not necessarily books but online articles and things), and of course, lurking message boards.

    As for pain, I think it may be the N who is more sensitive to it, since it's a sensory stimulus that Ns are less comfortable dealing with. I've observed S types, and they seem more tolerant of pain probably due to their more developed sensory adaptability.

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    Oh, you mean those kinds of dates. I'm not too bad at memorizing them.

    Furthermore, I'm not terrible at memorizing names -- especially if it's something avant garde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    As for pain, I think it may be the N who is more sensitive to it, since it's a sensory stimulus that Ns are less comfortable dealing with. I've observed S types, and they seem more tolerant of pain probably due to their more developed sensory adaptability.
    I'm not usually too sensitive to pain. Sometimes don't notice the three-inch-long cut until it starts dripping blood...and then it still doesn't really hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varelse View Post
    Names...I try to talk to the person in a fashion where using their name is unnecessary. Dates...I don't know.

    Stubbed toes generally involve me insulting myself/swearing under my breath until it stops hurting.
    The names thing is so me. I couldn't remember a name if my life depended on it. It got so bad that I stopped using names entirely - I don't think I've called anyone by their name in years. My GF's new name is "dear". Seriously. In three years of dating, I've probably said her name a dozen times. Pretty much when I'm introducing her. But I avoid doing that because I can never remember who I'm introducing her too.

    Physically, not so clumsy. I have fairly high agility, judging from my youth. My GF, however, is a walking disaster (INTJ).

    (Also, this thread should be about Ns in general, not NTs Unless you want to know how NTs deal with it compared to NFs... or maybe because Fs are more personal, they are better with names... but I'm a strong N and not as strong T... so I dunno... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varelse View Post
    I'm not usually too sensitive to pain. Sometimes don't notice the three-inch-long cut until it starts dripping blood...and then it still doesn't really hurt.
    That happens to me a lot. I will discover long scratches or cuts on myself and not remember where or when I got them... and even scrapes usually are just not that noticeable because I'm thinking more than sensing.

    However, chronic pains seem worse to me as I get older (body aches, long extensive periods of pain and soreness, dentist drilling, and whatnot).

    My Se son is the opposite: He is extremely sensitive to pain (especially acute pain) and hates it and will take whatever steps he can to avoid it *unless* he's having a lot of fun. That distracts him.

    I do not use names very often, even with my kids (I call them "kiddo" or "dear" or "bud" -- although out of all the people I know, I use their names the most). Name use feels so... invasive to me. I feel a little awkward even when people use MY name.
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    Yeah, I do get those scrapes that I didn't know ever existed.

    Certain pains, though, I am much more bothered than others, such as sunburn.

    Of course, pain like that also causes stress, and INTJs under stress will likely activate their inferior Se function which dwells on details -- making the pain more obvious.

    But I don't know, I guess I just never get the impression that sunburn bothers others as much as me. Other people don't seem to complain about it like I do.

    Anyone else here sensitive to loud noises, such as a vacuum cleaner? I always hated the vacuum cleaner. It might be because of my Asperger's Syndrome, but the way Keirsey describes the NT temperament, which almost wholly describes me, there seems to be a strong correlation between the temperament and autistic disorders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Let's face it. Our Sensing function usually doesn't get any development until our 30s, at the earliest.

    How do you deal with the real world of names, dates, and stubbed toes?
    I think you're asking about dealing with concrete things in general, and not just names, dates, etc. All that sensorish stuff, right?

    Honestly, it's just a matter of two things for me: importance and deadlines. For example, if I'm not up to having my ass chewed by my ENTJ mother about the state of my house, then I'll clean it before she shows up. If I feel like I don't give a rats' ass about her bitching, and am feeling more surly and independent, then I'll leave the place in its perpetual state of mild disarray.

    Another example: I can't remember my best friend's birthday [I've guessed wrong for over a decade, simply because of numerical crosswiring in my brain -- three other people I know have birthdays around the same time, so meh, there's no hope]. My best friend [INFJ] completely understands that this is a particular flaw of mine, therefore the pressure is off of me to get the correct date [which lowers importance in my mind]. However, she IS my best friend, so I compromise: I have the entire month of November to randomly ambush her with birthday wishes. It's a method that works for us.

    More on dates and suchlike: I'm never late with bills, etc. because early on I saw the complete idiocy of such behavior -- in other words, it's a deadline AND it's important to me that those bastards don't get another goddamn dime outta me. If I'm touring/gigging/etc. and have to remember flight times/venues/performance times, I usually wait until the last minute beforehand and have entrusted the details to an SJ who reminds me of the specifics so that there's very little time for the information to fall out of my head before the deadline passes.

    The names thing isn't my forte either, but I usually have no trouble remembering a person's face, which cues up previous conversational details [which are easier for me to remember]. I'll then ask questions using the info in my mental "database" to carry me through the name bit: "Hey -- how's your laborador?", "Did you enjoy that trip to Europe?", "Is your daughter finished with college?", etc. Most people don't even realize that I've got no clue what their name is after a few exchanges like that [and it's always easy to get the information from someone else if it becomes important to do so]. Honestly, I think [like Jen mentions] that using a person's name is somehow too forward anyway.

    Physicalities: again a matter of importance and/or deadline. If I don't have anywhere to go, and feel like being in pjs for three days straight, then by god, that's what I'll do. If there's a dinner party I've got to go to, well then I'll drag my sorry ass to the shower so that I don't smell like a barnyard.

    blahblahblahblah. Enough of this -- coffee has become more important than writing more of this post...

    *wanders off*

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