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    It was hammered into me very painfully at a 4-year military school. I have an almost fear-like reaction when I forget to do something that is required. Very effective brainwashing that gave me a moderately strong artificial J ... which kicks in when I need it (and even when I don't).

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    Who rises in the morning, looks in the mirror and says, "I think I will do something stupid today?" -- James Hollis
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    I never forget faces; and don't have too much trouble with names. Numbers are easy -- I have all my personal numeric sequences memorized to the point where I can recite my debit card number backwards.

    My scheduling nature carries me along in meeting obligations. Calendars tend to go relatively unused, but dates remain in the back of my mind.

    My coordination is average, which, I suppose, means that my sense of rhythm places me above the average player of Dance Dance Revolution.

    My fine arts undergraduate degree was a powerful experience -- and series of lessons -- in the weight and substance of things. Though neither carpentry nor sculpture became less difficult for me, I left school with a far greater perception of and appreciation for physical textures and details (both palpable and aural); and also with the patience necessary to complete a creative project, which has been applied to most of my long-term projects since. I dislike procrastination, and have an increasing distrust of velleity.

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    I am terrible with names, and I get frustrated when books and movies introduce too many characters at once. I remember faces vividly, though.

    I am moderately bad with dates unless a date has special meaning for me, and even then ... Sometimes I cannot remember the year I got married and my partner's year of birth.

    I have an easier time remembering things like this if I internalize patterns, such as the sounds of the words or the sight of letters flying by in my head.

    As for pain, I have an extremely high pain tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Let's face it. Our Sensing function usually doesn't get any development until our 30s, at the earliest.
    Perhaps I really am an SJ.

    My "sensing function" was practically the only thing I did develop until about 18.
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    I have to focus very hard, and have lots of motivation. If it's 'on the way' to some abstract high, I can push through. One of the most stressful things for me to do, way beyond any of the traumas of my life, has been serving at the altar in church - so much attention to detail, physical cues, all the cues are sensory, have to keep your mind on the job, in the here and now the whole time. I feel absolutely exhausted afterwards and tend to want to just go home and stare into space for an hour or more.

    The other thing that stresses me out like nothing else is doing handy stuff (DIY in England), putting up shelves, things involving drills and hammers and that kind of thing. It's like each second is a constant effort of will to keep myself here, in the present, to focus my eyes on the objects in front of me and willing my hands to 'feel'. Very exhausting.

    The only thing that keeps me going through these tasks is if I think about the alternative being to have to admit that there's something I can't do! Finding something difficult or tiring I can handle - not being able to do it at all, nope, can't do that one.

    I think that stuff is SP stuff, not SJ. My Si is my inferior, and I have developed it somewhat and used it as a path through to Feeling. It annoys and niggles at me sometimes by sorta 'telling' me to find some sort of anchor, not to wander off too far, creating a sense of unease at the speed at which my Ne takes me off to different places and experiences, like a whip pulling me backwards when all I want is to march onwards and upwards and keep the roll going. But on the whole I'm sorta at peace with it. But my Se is virtually paralysed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    Perhaps I really am an SJ.

    My "sensing function" was practically the only thing I did develop until about 18.
    Maybe you're an SP, which would explain, um, something....


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    I wouldn't expect names, dates, times, etc. to be the big differents between "N's" and "S's", since they just involve remembering single details (though apparently that expectation is wrong for a lot of people.) The problems I seem to have come with figuring out things with lots of directions that I haven't seen the pattern for yet, (Which is a problem with remembering a lot of unrelated details at the same time), and noticing a lot of details around me.


    I've really noticed the first one when learning new skills in school, labs, computer games, etc. When doing different lab techniques in various labs, I often don't know at first why many of the steps are done, which can cause things to take long, and/or cause a lot of goofs, because of steps being left out, out of order, or slightly wrong, it usually takes 3 or so times to really get whatever I'm learning working right (It helps if I know why certain things are done, which adds an extra way of remembering them). I also noticed with driving that it seemed to take me longer than most people to be able to watch my speed, mirrors, control the car, see signs, etc. (The first few trips at driving school were kind of funny, they involved a lot of "did you see that sign?' "I guess not." (or something to that effect.)

    Once something is learned as a habit, it gets much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Let's face it. Our Sensing function usually doesn't get any development until our 30s, at the earliest.

    How do you deal with the real world of names, dates, and stubbed toes?
    I live with another INTP and we're both in our mid 30s. I'm really good at automatically remembering details, like names, dates and other info - it's no effort, it just happens as long as I'm paying a little bit of attention. However, the other INTP in my house can't remember those details at all.

    DIY at home, I get bored so quickly. My skill at doing something tends to drop off quite rapidly because I get so bored. The only exception is if I happen to have done it enough that I can go on automatic pilot and let my hands do their thing while I process some new idea in my head. On the other hand, the other INTP in my house is reasonably happy doing practical things, specially if it involves being able to take something apart to see how it works inside.

    I have 2 data points of what NT's are really like - there's a lot of similarities but there's also a lot of differences. So I sometimes can be a bit sceptical about broad generalisations across types.
    ...so much smoke pouring out of each chromosome.

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    Deal? How do I deal with reality? I use the two way street option.

    I may forget names (tend not to) get used to it. (though I've learned to cover up this one with great skill now )
    I always forget dates, get used to it. If I remember then feel special.
    I don't crash into things. I rarely if ever do. Something to do with spatial awareness and being quite focused. I do however ignore things.

    Perhaps the question should be why do NTs see this as a problem?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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