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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    It does skew things but without figures showing what areas the respondents worked in it's impossible to know how off the figures in terms of representing the population, I linked it in because it was mentioned not because it is wholly representative, although they did attempt to add more diversity in the 2003 update:
    Noted. But including a significant number of managers from any profession has to make one wary of the TJ data. There's even a really small study somewhere (N=380) suggesting that even in Human Resources management, the top four types are still TJ.

    For the August 2002 data on the male side the top four preferences even sorta match that American management study.


    And I mean seriously, Australia has more NTJs than ESPs? Ian Ball musta needed publication credits or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And I mean seriously, Australia has more NTJs than ESPs?
    Overall I would be surprised if that were the case, I believe SPs in general are underrepresented/mistyped in the data however I wouldn't be surprised if the American figures that show much disproportion like the I25/E75 split BlackCat mentioned weren't representative either.

    The place I socialise the most is in corporate society so my exposure to the average person is skewed like the results. I wish they had information showing more data behind the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    It does skew things but without figures showing what areas the respondents worked in it's impossible to know how off the figures in terms of representing the population, I linked it in because it was mentioned not because it is wholly representative, although they did attempt to add more diversity in the 2003 update:

    Male: n = 9255
    Female: n = 8033

    I have to say, I found those figures quite odd.
    I have no problem believing that ISTJs and ESTJs top the charts, they are well represented everywhere and more or less form the backbone of every societies.
    It's more the rarity of SPs that really surprises me. Being a fine arts student, I am more or less surrounded by SPs (and NFs to a lesser extent), that is, art students and the people that hang out with them. Which gave me the impression that Melbourne is suffocatingly dominated with SPs (especially where you find 20-30yo white middle class alternatives).
    And even when I end up in more "bogan" areas, the people still seem to be quite often SPs, although in a different way.

    Either the sampling is poor. Either NTs are like dark matter, we can infer it's there in quantity, but we can't see it.
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    Those results seem like genuine boogus to me. Statistically there is no way NTJ's and N's in general top the Sensor population. People must have signed off the wrong type, in order meet the requirement bar set by employers. After all, if we are working in certain industries, we want to be tagged with the type associated with "natural" ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Yup, I assume ya'll are talking about the Australian Association for Psychological Type Inc report: link

    Which showed the following results for Australia:





    Seems we live in a male TJ and female F dominated country. I find it interesting that the top 8 male types are all Ts.

    ETA: That was the 2001 report, the 2002 report was slightly different link, but not by much.
    I'm horribly skeptical of these statistics. I've been type watching for years and just don't see that many INTJs. Either that, or Australia is very different in composition of type than the US. The link below provides some alternative numbers.

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    A possible explanation?

    The most likely way for evolution to produce a friendly or tame animal is to stop brain development prematurely. The effect is a smaller brain and especially a smaller “area 13”, a late-developing part of the limbic system that seems to have the job of disinhibiting adult emotional reactions such as fear and aggression. Intriguingly, such a taming process seems to have happened naturally in bonobos since their separation from the chimpanzee more than 2 million years ago. For its size the bonobo not only has a small head but also is less aggressive and retains several juvenile features into adulthood. Bonobos have unusually small area 13s.

    So do human beings. Surprisingly, the fossil record suggests that there has been a rather steep decline in the size of the human brain during the past 13,000 years, partly but not wholly reflecting a shrinking body that seems to have accompanied the arrival of dense and “civilised” human settlements. This followed several million years of more of less steady increases in brain size. In the Mesolithic (around 50,000 years ago) the human brain averaged 1,468cc (in females) and 1,567cc (in males). Today the numbers have fallen to 1210cc and 1248cc, and even allowing for some reduction in body weight, this seems to be a steep decline. If so, how? Richard Wrangham believes thatonce human beings become sedentary, living in permanent settlements, they could no longer tolerate antisocial behaviour and they began to banish, imprison, or execute especially difficult individuals. In the past in highland New Guinea, more than one in ten of all adult deaths were by the execution of “witches” (mostly men). This might have meant killing the more aggressive and impulsive – and hence more developmentally mature and bigger-brained - people.
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    The Australian statistics seem to reflect a really bad testing mechanism. INTJ 3rd most common among men? Not a chance.

    btw, INTP is more common than all four NJ types. Ni is the rarest dom/aux function in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    A possible explanation?
    LOL I think the Evil One might need to think about hiring new counsel at this rate!

    This might have meant killing the more aggressive and impulsive – and hence more developmentally mature and bigger-brained - people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Where's me Aussie INTJs at?
    Hello.

    If it really IS genetic (which I much doubt), then like a great INTJ once said:
    "I propose a breeding program similar to the ones used byy the Vulcans, in which everyone is paired up to mate once every 7 years. For many of you, that will mean having sex much less often. For me, much, much more!"

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