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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I say a correct estimation.

    The difference between the P and the J is in the focus.

    The J focus is from the bottom to top.

    The P focus is from the top to bottom.

    All the leads are to be found at the bottom.

    The significant leads exclusively at the top.
    *bangs stone on ground causing several chips to fly off*
    "Damn unreliable piece of .." mutterings escape form the side of the forms mouth as his eyes stare intently at the screen.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Classic INTP.
    Obsessive research into his field of interest. Master of his field. Passing competency with many linked fields but no real passion for them.
    Sorry old bean, can't agree there. Classic INTP is to have dozens of interests that they're more competent in than the average person, but nothing they're masters of until possibly old age means they've cycled through their interests enough times to have actually built up mastery of some. I always associated the perfectionism, the specialist with the real mastery of a subject, with INTJ.

    Sometimes though ISTJ can become great masters of things... the slow, painstaking attention to detail, patience and stuff, the 'seeing things through' thing is more suited to them than the easily-bored intuitive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    *bangs stone on ground causing several chips to fly off*
    "Damn unreliable piece of .." mutterings escape form the side of the forms mouth as his eyes stare intently at the screen.
    I am also epilectic.

    When the attack comes, just lie down still.

    If you bite your tongue, it is not the end of the world.

    Even if you bite it in two halves, it can be fixed.
    The surgery does miracles these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Most Js who visit my house become stressed. I let it go when I can't be bothered. There is no reserve at which point I will fly into action. This is like Sherlock. For his time his house keeping was atrocious.

    I cannot imagine an INTJ shooting the wall in his house nor covering all the chairs with fevered drawings only to wade through them to get coffee or whatever never thinking about the carnage, only the object in his hand.

    Oh and a word of warning, NTs are the most mentally flexible of types. Ergo we can seem to be a lot of things but we are only one of them...well that's the MBTI theory.
    Um, not necessarily, Ni types could be quite stubborn about their own conceptions and be very convinced that they're right. SPs are also very flexible and are very adaptable to new ideas and experiences.

    I'm very habitual and routinized, but my habits allow me to muse over my Intuitive conceptions more easily.

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    Thrall from warcraft 3 seems ENTJ.

    Most of the other "wizard" characters (Jaina especially as INTP) seem to fit some sort of NT type, as well as some more borderlines.


    Barbossa from the first pirates of the Carribean seems INTJish (unconcerned with rules, seem to plan things ahead rather than improvise), though that may be more of an "evil villain=INTJ" effect.

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    I thought Barbarossa was either an ENTJ, ESTP, or ENTP.

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    It always amazes me to see Sherlock Holmes typed as anything other than an ISTP. Given as the fundamental problem with MBTI (and the reason scientist types take it with a certain grain of salt) is that nothing can be proven, an argument can made for him being pretty much any of the types, depending on how mentally limber the arguer may be. But, damn, I really can't think of a more stark example of an ISTP. As far as I'm concerned, he clearly demonstrates how N = smart and S = stupid is not the case. (Er, fictional though he may be. But supposedly Doyle based his personality upon that of his own, so! Look I'm typing this off the cuff at work here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It always amazes me to see Sherlock Holmes typed as anything other than an ISTP. Given as the fundamental problem with MBTI (and the reason scientist types take it with a certain grain of salt) is that nothing can be proven, an argument can made for him being pretty much any of the types, depending on how mentally limber the arguer may be. But, damn, I really can't think of a more stark example of an ISTP. As far as I'm concerned, he clearly demonstrates how N = smart and S = stupid is not the case. (Er, fictional though he may be. But supposedly Doyle based his personality upon that of his own, so! Look I'm typing this off the cuff at work here.)
    There is undoubtedly some truth in what you say. They start at the top also.
    This is why they are excellent chess players.

    The chess player looks first at the over all picture. What is at the top.
    The P thing.

    My father was an INTJ and my brother was an ISTP.
    They used to play chess together.
    My brother started to win at the age of nine. My father quit playing.

    The world class players however are NTs.

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    Okaaaay it takes an INTP a lifetime to do what now? Personally I set out to cram my brain full of photos and stats of firearms at one point. It took me all of a couple of months to KNOW the lot. Like A NATO round for a rifle is either 7.62mm or 5.56mm witht he second being the lighter and higher velocity round used in today's assault rifles, the 7.62mm files being more correctly referred to as battle rifles.

    What your talking about is being beyond reproach. That's different.

    Oh and if you look closely enough then you'll see that Sherlock is the master of no trade, plus you have to figure in the superman complex that people just didn't do realistic characters at that time and so the characteristics of Sherlock are over played and hence why he's such a master of the detective arts. Mind you though compared to Batman it tooks him frickin ages and so must be a real dumbass.

    Sherlock wouldn't be an ISTP else he'd be more clinical in his approach. As about 90% of his actions, thoughts and speech are made in context then I'd have to conclude that the guy is an N.

    I notice that the proof card was also drawn. Give me one perfect truth and you get a banana. You can't. Nuff said.

    Oh and whilst I remember... NTs are MENTALLY flexible. This is not the same as the SP adaptability. Basically an NT can think like someone else or put their minds in a different frame more easily than other types. As in they are the least bound to certain pathways, certain ways of thinking. As such they can often appear to be something that their not.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The chess player looks first at the over all picture.
    Would this not be a facet of N and not P?
    Would not P be the recognition of plans not surviving first contact with the enemy and hence being more ready to alter their strategy in response to change?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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