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    Quote Originally Posted by oneandonly View Post
    Ni.. this is an unconscious long range knowing of people and events unfolding, Intentions etc
    Ni as a first process lets you see very deeply into people.. immediately liking/disliking without being able to describe exactly why.
    Over time, able to get right to the heart of it bluntly.

    Ne... is a conscious in the moment process people places and things, connecting circumstances in the moment
    Ne as a first process connects in the moment and can determine authenticity,
    Describing bluntly exactly why, Objectively

    My best friend is ENFP.. she operates first through Ne

    I am INFJ.. I operate first through Ni
    No.. Ne is unconscious also(MBTI 101), rest isnt right either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chado View Post
    wait are you telling me than an np or intp or entp can actualy use ni?????

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    that an intp could actualy use ni side by side with your main function like it is a dominant function?
    Some systems that define functions(and pretty much the whole psyche) differently like socionics and beebean 8 function model says this, but not according to MBTI.
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    Default im confused???how does the shadow functions works??

    ok lets take an intp how does shadow functions emerge? this is what wikipedia says ''Later personality researchers (notably Linda V. Berens)[18] added four additional functions to the descending hierarchy, the so-called "shadow" functions to which the individual is not naturally inclined but which can emerge when the person is under stress. For the INTP these shadow functions are (in order):te ni se fi
    now what does this mean?if an intp is under stress would he/she be using ni as a dominant function?to what degree would he be using ni if he is under stress thanks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDog View Post
    Good summation. Only part I take issue with (for a summation) is Pi as introspection and Ji as making decisions alone. The Ti and Fi doms I know spend long periods mulling over . . . something . . . it isn't maybe quite the same as Ni or Si, whose introspection I can understand better, but I do think Ji does a lot of introspecting. INTPs are some of the most introspective types out there . . .

    Perhaps you are defining introspection in a 'fuzzy' Pi way as opposed to a more rational and conscious Ji way?

    Also curious about why you associate N and creativity; I tend to do that as well, although my empirical experience doesn't bear it out.
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    Why is this labelled as INFJ and in the NF section??

    And I'm not too clear on shadow functions myself but the first place I had a read on them was here.

    Essentially we all have the 8 functions, just in diff orders and to different strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chado View Post
    ok lets take an intp how does shadow functions emerge? this is what wikipedia says ''Later personality researchers (notably Linda V. Berens)[18] added four additional functions to the descending hierarchy, the so-called "shadow" functions to which the individual is not naturally inclined but which can emerge when the person is under stress. For the INTP these shadow functions are (in order):te ni se fi
    now what does this mean?if an intp is under stress would he/she be using ni as a dominant function?to what degree would he be using ni if he is under stress thanks?
    there are a lot of different views on the shadow.
    there are so many we could fill 10,000 books literally. If you want to know more about how shadow and typology play out you might want to read Carl Jung's works. Don't take it all literally, be independent in your thought, but it's a good place to start.

    Also realize there are no rules set in stone here. We might come to find out that our shadow is actually a series of other things and the word shadow is just used to describe the phenomenology initially of some amorphous experience we lack the words for.
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    They dont work, they are just some theoretical new view on type that pretty much disregards much in older models to simplify things. Really that "Fi" in INTP for example is Ti trying to take over analysis that belongs to Fe(due to Ti being overrepresented by the ego and Fe being too unconscious to be used properly), which results in introverted processing of contents of Fe, but that processing is really based on principle of logic. The shadow function theory disregards this sort of thing and just calls it Fi. By doing so, it also drastically changes the whole definition of the functions.

    This is something that happens constantly with functions that are not developed to be directed consciously, in other words are undifferentiated:

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    The separation of parts from a whole, necessary for conscious access to the psychological functions.

    "So long as a function is still so fused with one or more other functions-thinking with feeling, feeling with sensation, etc.-that it is unable to operate on its own, it is in an archaic condition, i.e., not differentiated, not separated from the whole as a special part and existing by itself. Undifferentiated thinking is incapable of thinking apart from other functions; it is continually mixed up with sensations, feelings, intuitions, just as undifferentiated feeling is mixed up with sensations and fantasies."["Definitions," CW 6, par. 705.]

    An undifferentiated function is characterized by ambivalence (every position entails its own negative), which leads to characteristic inhibitions in its use.

    "Differentiation consists in the separation of the function from other functions, and in the separation of its individual parts from each other. Without differentiation direction is impossible, since the direction of a function towards a goal depends on the elimination of anything irrelevant. Fusion with the irrelevant precludes direction; only a differentiated function is capable of being directed."[ Ibid., par. 705.]
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    Default im confused???how does the shadow functions works??

    I hope some one takes the time to explain there understanding about the subject,

    Good question.
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