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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
    Haha yes always the why Yeah two of my friends are INTJ, one is INTP and my ex was INFJ... Tends to be a big draw I think, be interesting to find out why XD
    My hypothesis (haha, oh my, could I be more INTP... lol), which could be completely wrong, is a mix of things:

    -Intuition, even though Ne and Ni are different, I think N types find solace in other N types, especially in world where these traits are viewed as strange or bizarre. And even though my INFJ bestie will joke that I'm high when I jump from point A to Da Vinci Code*, I know he doesn't think of my mind jumps are a mental defect. But to some people I know, my Ne can really confuse them, especially my ESTJ mom. I love her to bits, but being around someone who thinks you're from a different planet is only fun for a little while before it just gets sad and lonely. . .

    and moving on from that . . .

    - The introversion . Both types understand the other's need for solitude and also the craving for meaningful social interaction. And combined with Ni or Ne, this equals unprecedented love for deep conversations. (with INFJ/INTP the Ti, Fe, and juxtaposition of Ni/Ne can take conversation to strange and wonderful places... *happy sigh*)

    - INTJ's and INTP's even though they have all different cognitive functions, share commonalties as rational types and can be energized by deep intellectual conversations. And each offers a unique perspective, not just because individuals, but also because of function differences.

    -And lastly the Flip-Side. With my INFJ friends (maybe its similar for INFP's for INTJ's) we are technically the introverted version of the flip side of our personalities. (me ENFJ at heart & INFJ -> ENTP at heart via A Little Bit of Personality) They understand and respect my introversion, but at the same time challenge me to develop the more caring side of my personality, Fe. And I offer up Ti, new perspectives with Ne possibilities. I notice I really push my INFJ best friend to consider different perspectives & be more openminded to other people's opinions, and he pushes me to think of other's emotions.


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    *Spoiler* if you are curious about that mind jump:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris34 View Post
    My hypothesis (haha, oh my, could I be more INTP... lol), which could be completely wrong, is a mix of things:

    -Intuition, even though Ne and Ni are different, I think N types find solace in other N types, especially in world where these traits are viewed as strange or bizarre. And even though my INFJ bestie will joke that I'm high when I jump from point A to Da Vinci Code*, I know he doesn't think of my mind jumps are a mental defect. But to some people I know, my Ne can really confuse them, especially my ESTJ mom. I love her to bits, but being around someone who thinks you're from a different planet is only fun for a little while before it just gets sad and lonely. . .

    and moving on from that . . .

    - The introversion . Both types understand the other's need for solitude and also the craving for meaningful social interaction. And combined with Ni or Ne, this equals unprecedented love for deep conversations. (with INFJ/INTP the Ti, Fe, and juxtaposition of Ni/Ne can take conversation to strange and wonderful places... *happy sigh*)

    - INTJ's and INTP's even though they have all different cognitive functions, share commonalties as rational types and can be energized by deep intellectual conversations. And each offers a unique perspective, not just because individuals, but also because of function differences.

    -And lastly the Flip-Side. With my INFJ friends (maybe its similar for INFP's for INTJ's) we are technically the introverted version of the flip side of our personalities. (me ENFJ at heart & INFJ -> ENTP at heart via A Little Bit of Personality) They understand and respect my introversion, but at the same time challenge me to develop the more caring side of my personality, Fe. And I offer up Ti, new perspectives with Ne possibilities. I notice I really push my INFJ best friend to consider different perspectives & be more openminded to other people's opinions, and he pushes me to think of other's emotions.


    Your thoughts?

    *Spoiler* if you are curious about that mind jump:
    Holy shit, you really are an INTP I think the hypothesis is very much valid though! Considering it reasonably, I think it makes sense. That being said, I'd probably have some criticisms if I were more knowledgeable in concern with the MBTI (I've never heard an idea that I haven't criticised when it comes to a topic that I know a lot about), but, from my current perspective, that makes a lot of sense Thanks for temporarily satisfying my curiosity
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
    Holy shit, you really are an INTP I think the hypothesis is very much valid though! Considering it reasonably, I think it makes sense. That being said, I'd probably have some criticisms if I were more knowledgeable in concern with the MBTI (I've never heard an idea that I haven't criticised when it comes to a topic that I know a lot about), but, from my current perspective, that makes a lot of sense Thanks for temporarily satisfying my curiosity
    Haha thanks And I'm glad I could satisfy your curiosity. As a 5 on the enneagram and an NT, I definitely understand that intense desire to learn and know things, and its so satisfying to fill that curiosity. Its like eating a 5 star quality good meal at an inexpensive hole in the wall café on a quiet street in Paris. . .

    And yes, please don't hesitate to debate me once you feel you have more info. I lurk around the mbti section on tumblr a lot and there are some incredibly knowledgeable people on there who I've learned a lot from. (and there are also a lot of funny MBTI stereotypes. I recommend checking it out if you haven't already.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris34 View Post
    Haha thanks And I'm glad I could satisfy your curiosity. As a 5 on the enneagram and an NT, I definitely understand that intense desire to learn and know things, and its so satisfying to fill that curiosity. Its like eating a 5 star quality good meal at an inexpensive hole in the wall café on a quiet street in Paris. . .

    And yes, please don't hesitate to debate me once you feel you have more info. I lurk around the mbti section on tumblr a lot and there are some incredibly knowledgeable people on there who I've learned a lot from. (and there are also a lot of funny MBTI stereotypes. I recommend checking it out if you haven't already.)
    Haha that was a hilariously specific simile! But yes, it's definitely like that

    And don't worry! I'm an INTJ You don't need to tell us when to debate! Haha, apparently debates between INTJ's and INTP's can be considered "legendary", in my experience, they are pretty epic, and enjoyable But yeah, I'll check that out! Haven't been on Tumblr since the SJW types took over, so, a year ago :P I'll take a look though, thanks for the recommendation
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
    Haha that was a hilariously specific simile! But yes, it's definitely like that

    And don't worry! I'm an INTJ You don't need to tell us when to debate! Haha, apparently debates between INTJ's and INTP's can be considered "legendary", in my experience, they are pretty epic, and enjoyable But yeah, I'll check that out! Haven't been on Tumblr since the SJW types took over, so, a year ago :P I'll take a look though, thanks for the recommendation though
    Haha thanks, glad you enjoyed it

    And I look forward to the legendary debates

    I have an ENTJ friend in real life who I once talked with about social issues when another girl, aka my date, was there and the two started debating. (It was a weird night...Never agree to a blind dates set up an ENTJ guy... just no...) I think it was deemed a heated argument by her, likely NF of SF female, he considered it a heated debate, and I just thought it was a friendly discussion, whoops . . . lol . . . then again I was just watching . . . mostly...

    And I'm a bit biased, tumblr is a magical place for me as lesbian/queer girl where I can frolic through the mystical land of imagined and real lesbian 'ships . . . and listen to the chanting whispers of Swan Queen echo through the binary code. . .

    But yeah the SJW types can get a bit too much sometimes. I just saw post today, I mean it made good points, and make me think, which I like, but a page about a giving a hamster a bath in the sink ... I mean I get it its not okay, they don't like water... but can we go back to pictures of cute lesbian ships now please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris34 View Post
    Haha thanks, glad you enjoyed it

    And I look forward to the legendary debates

    I have an ENTJ friend in real life who I once talked with about social issues when another girl, aka my date, was there and the two started debating. (It was a weird night...Never agree to a blind dates set up an ENTJ guy... just no...) I think it was deemed a heated argument by her, likely NF of SF female, he considered it a heated debate, and I just thought it was a friendly discussion, whoops . . . lol . . . then again I was just watching . . . mostly...

    And I'm a bit biased, tumblr is a magical place for me as lesbian/queer girl where I can frolic through the mystical land of imagined and real lesbian 'ships . . . and listen to the chanting whispers of Swan Queen echo through the binary code. . .

    But yeah the SJW types can get a bit too much sometimes. I just saw post today, I mean it made good points, and make me think, which I like, but a page about a giving a hamster a bath in the sink ... I mean I get it its not okay, they don't like water... but can we go back to pictures of cute lesbian ships now please.
    Haha awesome

    Yeah that happens to me a lot! I'll get into a discussion with another NT, or other NT's have one with each other, all the SF and NF's get all huffy-and-puffy, they feel like it's some angry conflict XD Yeah, I really don't like most ENTJ's I've come across, it's weird, I'd think that INTJ's and ENTJ's would go together alright?

    Yeah I understand that, I mean, I'm all for people doing whatever the hell they want in terms of their sexuality, and I think that all forms of sexuality should be considered equal, but I still see some "equality" blogs heading towards the bigotry that they set out to destroy. I guess it's difficult for me to relate though, I'm a 0 on that Kinsey Scale thing, completely heterosexual. Meaning I'm obviously speaking from a privileged point of view in this culture, so I can understand that finding that much to relate to can be a euphoric experience, like the first time I stepped into a record store that specialised in Metal
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
    Haha awesome

    Yeah that happens to me a lot! I'll get into a discussion with another NT, or other NT's have one with each other, all the SF and NF's get all huffy-and-puffy, they feel like it's some angry conflict XD Yeah, I really don't like most ENTJ's I've come across, it's weird, I'd think that INTJ's and ENTJ's would go together alright?

    Yeah I understand that, I mean, I'm all for people doing whatever the hell they want in terms of their sexuality, and I think that all forms of sexuality should be considered equal, but I still see some "equality" blogs heading towards the bigotry that they set out to destroy. I guess it's difficult for me to relate though, I'm a 0 on that Kinsey Scale thing, completely heterosexual. Meaning I'm obviously speaking from a privileged point of view in this culture, so I can understand that finding that much to relate to can be a euphoric experience, like the first time I stepped into a record store that specialised in Metal
    Yeah, its refreshing chatting with you, and even on the NT forum in general, typically I feel like I have to filter every word I say. Its nice to be able to simply be who you are, with worrying you might insult someone or forget a social grace.

    And yeah, I try not to get too wrapped up in the politics of it all, but its hard when the politics directly involve you. But on the same note, don't feel bad, I have no clue what it would be like to be 0 on the Kinsey scale, I'm about a 5.

    And hey you recognize your privilege, thats a hell of a lot more than a lot of people. For me, relating to other minorities, I tend to use my imagination to my advantage and try to picture what my life would be like if I were them. Its actually pretty useful tool and I guess its technically the foundation of empathy, putting yourself in other's shoes and feeling what they would feel and all . . .

    And yeah . . . haha, its bit like finding a record store that specializes in Metal, (but with cute girls) lol

    But if you ever are curious or have questions I'm happy to chat with you on the subject. I promise I'll try my best not to get all social justice'y I'm new with coming out (I think I was almost exactly a year ago that it hit me like a ton of bricks. . . ), so I tend to still get a bit flustered/nervous talking about it, damn those things we call emotions, but with each person it gets easier . . .

    And I completely agree about some of the "equality" blogs. The minority movements aren't perfect either, and there is even judgment and sub groups with in the community . . . but that tends to be a minority (lol, no pun intended.)


    But seriously I'd be happy to talk with you about [coming out, how I realized, people's reactions, how it is internally coming to terms, ect...]. Feel free to send me a message if you have questions. I'm one of those who believe that in order for minorities (specifically LGBT) to be understood we have to understand that the cornerstone of acceptance is understanding, and in order for the majority to understand there's probably going to be some awkward questions, but hopefully they'll be worded respectfully. And we'll have to be more open about who we are, yes, but education is the only (ethical) cure to bigotry and ignorance that I can think of. How else will someone who is privileged know their statement was ignorant if no one politely corrects them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris34 View Post
    ..share commonalties as rational types
    INTJ isnt a rational type, they are Ni dom which means that its irrational type. But yes, i have a INTJ friend an intellectual conversations are fun, just as long as he agrees with me, because if he doesent, there is no way to change his mind(trust me i have tried to argue for several hours of clear logic that should be obvious to any rational person, but Ni ego and Fi prevents that and makes him the most stubborn person i ever met). But to be honest im almost as stubborn, but my stubborness is trying to make him see logic and his stubbornness is to defend his Ni/Fi view that has been backed up by some loose Te logic and Se evidence. This is why arguing about some scientific theory or what ever can take hours and few times even like two weeks of few hours here and there.. Its nice brain gymnastics and helps me to review stuff i know(when trying to explain them to him), but it also gets frustrating. Not to mention that sometimes he does that thing where he knows he is wrong, but still continues to argue because he doesent want me to see that he was wrong..
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    INTJ isnt a rational type, they are Ni dom which means that its irrational type. But yes, i have a INTJ friend an intellectual conversations are fun, just as long as he agrees with me, because if he doesent, there is no way to change his mind(trust me i have tried to argue for several hours of clear logic that should be obvious to any rational person, but Ni ego and Fi prevents that and makes him the most stubborn person i ever met). But to be honest im almost as stubborn, but my stubborness is trying to make him see logic and his stubbornness is to defend his Ni/Fi view that has been backed up by some loose Te logic and Se evidence. This is why arguing about some scientific theory or what ever can take hours and few times even like two weeks of few hours here and there.. Its nice brain gymnastics and helps me to review stuff i know(when trying to explain them to him), but it also gets frustrating. Not to mention that sometimes he does that thing where he knows he is wrong, but still continues to argue because he doesent want me to see that he was wrong..
    Yeah Ni dom's can be a tad challenging if they won't consider other possibilities. I mean there's no doubt that I can be stubborn, but I like to think that I'm open to considering other possibilities.

    My INFJ friend though, oh my god, sometimes its like talking to a brick wall, but if I keep chipping away I can eventually get him to consider other perspectives. It just takes sometime and some convincing . . . haha, but hey it can make for a fun challenge

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    I have the opposite problem: I'm way too distrusting. I cannot meet someone without wondering if they are going to try to use me and my friends, and it therefore takes a long time to earn my trust or genuine respect.
    I think something might have happened socially in early elementary school that caused this... Or maybe it was sixth grade.

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