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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I honestly think that ESFp is meant for INTp (socionics) which is probably closer to INTP in description of MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    INTJs as a type tend to be quite resistant to social pressures.


    This is partly simple statistics: there are more male than female INTJs, and more female than male ENFPs.
    Still, being even more rare than male intjs and usually surrounded with F females they might be a little more adjustable/accommodating to their environment perhaps more than anything for pragmatic reasons.






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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    You haven't found an attraction between yourself and ESFPs in the past? What do you think of ESFPs then?

    All I know is that ENFPs seem drawn to me (and I to them), and I've seen a similar pattern with other people I know, though not widespread enough to form a conclusion on in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    I honestly think that ESFp is meant for INTp (socionics) which is probably closer to INTP in description of MBTI.
    Compatibility is based on having opposite functions, like Se and Ni. So if we take functions to be the basis, it would have to be ESFP with INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    You haven't found an attraction between yourself and ESFPs in the past? What do you think of ESFPs then?
    Attraction, yes, because people love them off the bat, but that wore off pretty quickly. They draw way too much attention to themselves for my comfort, couldn't deal with structure or routine or anything they found to be oppressive (their words). I found they didn't care much for anything that got in the way of their gratification and if I didn't want that at the moment, they got pretty ugly.

    They would make a fine casual friend for me (same for my ENFP friends. Great friends, would not trust them to pay bills or pick up kids from school). They aren't and would never be a good type for a relationship with me. They would not be a person I would put much trust in or place any kind of responsibility on. I don't especially care about compatibility being based on opposite functions - in this pairing I know it's not for me and that came from the experience I had with one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    They would make a fine casual friend for me (same for my ENFP friends. Great friends, would not trust them to pay bills or pick up kids from school).
    This. One of my favourite coworkers is an ESFP, but irresponsibility is his middle name. I know I can rely on him to do everything half-arsed, make others laugh and play manipulation games. Always a fun day when we are working together, productivity however just isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Then they realize that resistance is futile. Then they try to resist again, get a headache and realize that resistance is futile. Then they try to resist, get a headache and.. I dont think its so much of being resistant to social pressures, than it is to not want to give in for social pressure, especially if its something that goes against their routines/ways of doing things or other stuff they value, like self profits.

    Ps. in order to control an INTJ in social setting you need to make him realize that he gains more by going with the flow than resisting or that resisting only causes harm to self and others(that reflects back to them).
    When an INTJ (or anyone else) follows social customs in order to get something, this is not succumbing to social pressure, it is simply doing what it takes to reach a goal. It is the same motivation that leads people to accept unpleasant procedures like root canals or uprooting their family to keep or get a job. Responding to social pressures implies that one values social approval itself. It is quite easy to resist, in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    But why are more women F types, and more men T types? Sex differences in personality. If there is a massive conspiracy to make women and men behave a certain way, I would like to be aware of it

    What will it take for people here to understand that the exception does not make the rule?
    I wouldn't call 30-45% of the population an exception. If there is a rule, it is that people follow type, with much variation within each type due to the many other human differences we have. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been a massive if unintentional "conspiracy" to favor F in women and T in men, specifically in F women being more likely to attract mates and go on to reproduce. The difference is probably small, but multiplied over many generations, at least in certain cultures. I wonder if the T/F distribution varies by culture, and how then that relates to the amount of gender bias in the culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    You haven't found an attraction between yourself and ESFPs in the past? What do you think of ESFPs then?

    All I know is that ENFPs seem drawn to me (and I to them), and I've seen a similar pattern with other people I know, though not widespread enough to form a conclusion on in itself.



    Compatibility is based on having opposite functions, like Se and Ni. So if we take functions to be the basis, it would have to be ESFP with INTJ.
    That's if the functions matched perfectly, but they don't. Introverts on the system doesn't cross over exactly like the extraverts can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    When an INTJ (or anyone else) follows social customs in order to get something, this is not succumbing to social pressure, it is simply doing what it takes to reach a goal. It is the same motivation that leads people to accept unpleasant procedures like root canals or uprooting their family to keep or get a job. Responding to social pressures implies that one values social approval itself. It is quite easy to resist, in fact.


    I wouldn't call 30-45% of the population an exception. If there is a rule, it is that people follow type, with much variation within each type due to the many other human differences we have. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been a massive if unintentional "conspiracy" to favor F in women and T in men, specifically in F women being more likely to attract mates and go on to reproduce. The difference is probably small, but multiplied over many generations, at least in certain cultures. I wonder if the T/F distribution varies by culture, and how then that relates to the amount of gender bias in the culture.
    Isnt the whole idea of giving up to social pressure(i didnt say about customs, but people requiring something from you in a social setting), doing something you might not want to do, but doing it anyways because its something that needs to be done so that the situation doesent turn against you in some way?

    What comes to women being more F than men, its basically because men are physically stronger and women had to adjust to this since stone ages. I think that evolution has made it that women are more prone to being F types, but also to T type women there are social pressures(in this case its also more about customs) to act more F like, so its more about persona requirements for women to act more F. Also the social setting among women and men are different when growing up. Between men its more like "shut up or i beat you up", while between women its not so much about using physical force, but to gossiping bad stuff, creating rumors, creating drama around something etc. Which is more F sort of style than for men. I dont mean that women always create drama, like to gossip etc. but i can certainly say that they are more prone to that sort of stuff than men are. But i also think that if its about all F men, they are going to act more like women in the situation than beating each other up.. I mean if you put 10 men and 10 women in room together, there is a high chance for women to cause some drama, gossiping etc. While for men if there is some drama, its most likely handled with fists than by creating rumors or gossiping. Except ofc if all the women are INTXs, then there will be endless debates where everyone tries to outsmart each other and not so much creating nasty rumors or gossips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    You haven't found an attraction between yourself and ESFPs in the past? What do you think of ESFPs then?

    All I know is that ENFPs seem drawn to me (and I to them), and I've seen a similar pattern with other people I know, though not widespread enough to form a conclusion on in itself.



    Compatibility is based on having opposite functions, like Se and Ni. So if we take functions to be the basis, it would have to be ESFP with INTJ.
    I think the main issue INTJ's would have with ESFP's is that they are usually attention seekers, and most INTJ's I know can see right through this, into their ego and we find it patently fake... It's almost like they're putting on an act in order to be liked or have attention drawn to them, and it's really of putting, but this is obviously a MASSIVE generalisation, there would be plenty of fine ones.
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I have found, and also read, that what often appear to be gender differences are really T/F differences. Because more women are F, we associate F-like behaviors with women, when they are more correctly associated with F types. Same for T. Women T's thus seem not like other women, when they really are just not like Fs, because they aren't Fs. Same for F men. I'm not discounting the influence of social pressures, just pointing out other factors involved.
    This I found out to be really true like some months ago. My dad was going on to my brother about how men are more rational and logical than women and women are really emotional and blah blah blah, and although I know that being emotional or rational is not directly linked with T/Fness, all I could think was nope nope that's a difference in personality not women and men. I was so annoyed at that statement.

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