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    Default The goal of T vs the goal of F

    I've discussed the transcendence that NTs often achieve in the rational acceptance of all things and it seems to me that the goal of our thinking is actually to stop thinking.

    I'm wondering how this relates to the realization of the F function, is it a state of constant deep yet calm feeling? Is there more to be satisfied?

    It seems to me that NTs are more death obsessed than anything, our focus is on the absolute and undeniable so it makes sense that our culmination comes in a moment of semi death (the lack of insecure drive to experience more, know more, feel more).

    If NT is death is NF life will the melancholy and self doubt that plagues NFs fall away in self realization tobe replaced with some extreme level of joie-de-vivre the same way an NT's sense of superiority wilts away to acceptance of cosmic placement?
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    Thinking arrives at the calm by eliminating passion which leads to intensity. The effect of 'stopping thinking' that you mention is a result of elimination of passion as well. Passion is necessary to incite all action. If Feeling is repressed to a certain degree we will not even have enough energy to think. We will stop thinking as you have mentioned.

    This is the explanation for how the aforementioned calm happens.

    Feeling desires as intense of passion as possible. This is the opposite of calm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Feeling desires as intense of passion as possible. This is the opposite of calm.
    On what do you base this?
    It seems to me that a lot of Feelers want peace and calm.
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    As for the OP. I'm not sure that I follow the premise. I don't think my goal is to stop Thinking. I consider Thinking a pass time, and a welcome pre-occupation. Mental oblivion is not something I'm looking forward to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Feeling desires as intense of passion as possible. This is the opposite of calm.
    Heheh. Emotional entropy. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murkrow View Post
    I've discussed the transcendence that NTs often achieve in the rational acceptance of all things and it seems to me that the goal of our thinking is actually to stop thinking.

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    It seems to me that NTs are more death obsessed than anything, our focus is on the absolute and undeniable so it makes sense that our culmination comes in a moment of semi death (the lack of insecure drive to experience more, know more, feel more).
    What have you been smoking? The goal of an NT is to stop thinking? NTs are obsessed with death? Which type profiles have you been reading? Were they on a teenage-goth website? It makes sense that the culmination of an NT comes in the moment of semi-death!!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Feeling desires as intense of passion as possible.
    Speaking as a DomFi, I do not believe that to be true, at least not in an absolute or general sense. Could you cite some authority? Thanks.
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    Transcendence?

    It's...revealing...that you link a state of profound psychospiritual awareness to something as oblique as the MBTI.

    I'd follow it to conclusion. You'll find what you deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Transcendence?

    It's...revealing...that you link a state of profound psychospiritual awareness to something as oblique as the MBTI.

    I'd follow it to conclusion. You'll find what you deserve.
    Yeah. What Night said. I mean, he totally stole my answer, I was so about to say that.
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