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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Speaking of lights, in response to Sunshine's comment on page 5, I think in words, but when I'm talking my thoughts get jumbled up a bit. That's why I'm more eloquent on paper than in speech.
    I guess I don't know the pain of decorating sans lightbulbs, so truce?

    I'm more concise and less jumbled on paper, but I feel more clear in talking. Cause you can reclarify and work off the reactions. (I throughly suck at speeches though.)

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    Disclaimer: This post may not be understandable, it is way too late here

    I wouldn't say I find it hard to talk to the sensors I know as long as I am not worried about talking about something that I find particularly interesting.
    I know quite a few sensors, and as far as I can tell they all enjoy talking to me and don't have any trouble with our conversations, but I really think that's because I don't try and bring abstract qualities to it. Whenever I do try testing out a little abstractness it invariably fails; they either completely misunderstand me, go silent, or start talking about something else.
    It gets frustrating, and sometimes if I'm not careful I can feel a bit hurt that they don't seem to make an effort to talk about the things I find interesting when I make such an effort to respond and make their thoughts feel genuinely welcomed.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike our conversations... it's just that I don't find them stimulating. I wouldn't seek them out, but I'm good at carrying on a conversation with anyone about whatever they want to talk about; I guess sometimes this feels like it's taken advantage of. Although again, I'm sure it's not intentional. They're very nice people, but I think that generally the people they interact with are other sensors so they probably don't even realize that I want to talk about other things and that all the details of theirs and everyone else's lives are not things I find inherently interesting.

    It's not like I am sitting there bored out of my mind, thinking when will she stop talking?! I can normally, in the moment, force myself to feel involved in and care for what they are saying...but it is so tiring and really really not stimulating.

    For me, I want to connect at a different level, to find that conversation that makes my eyes light up and my mind race. I am not sure if these sensing people I know also want this and get it from the types of conversations that we have (or conversations they have with other sensors perhaps...) or if that type of connection isn't something they strive for.
    I've pretty much given up trying to get that connection with the sensors that I know. Too many times of trying and being rebuffed; my sensitivity can only take so much!
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    For me, I want to connect at a different level, to find that conversation that makes my eyes light up and my mind race.

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    I generally can talk with sensor quite well. I don't have a problem with small talk, actually I like to talk about bullshit more than talking about serious topics. The only times I've had a problem is when I switch from jokes and saying idiotic things to extremely NT language because I want to explain something I care about/because I feel the need to do so/because I am speaking with a professor about a complex topic. In that case they seem to think that I'm faking it/pretending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Same here. I don't mind sensors as long as they don't try to have deep conversations with me.
    If they are tolerant and patient, they are fine with me. Granted I have to practice simplifying my thoughts a lot, and working around folks that are S's slowly trains you that way. I never lose my N though and constantly get made fun of at times, but I don't mind

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    I have lived my whole life in this kind of situation. My Mother is a very strong S, and when I am talking to her about something conceptual, no matter the level of importance, she will have sudden, unrelated outburst about a bad driver, something she needs to clean or something she needs to add to a shopping list. It is like we are on to different wavelengths. I think I would go insane if my whole family was comprised of Ss, but luckily, I have an INTJ brother and father.

    Unless there are activities involved, Ss and Ns don't really mesh too well. Talking to a strong S is like talking to a brick wall. If it interests me, like if we are talking about a concept, then they never contribute to the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    The beating around the bush habit you describe Colors is actually for a reason... I just can't get my head into articulating it at the moment but I'll have another go later lol
    It's because Ns see many sides of a topic all at the same time!

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    Interesting! I wonder if Ns have a tendency to reason from general to specific and Ss from specific to general (or vice versa)?
    I agree with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raindancing View Post
    I know quite a few sensors, and as far as I can tell they all enjoy talking to me and don't have any trouble with our conversations, but I really think that's because I don't try and bring abstract qualities to it. Whenever I do try testing out a little abstractness it invariably fails; they either completely misunderstand me, go silent, or start talking about something else.

    It gets frustrating, and sometimes if I'm not careful I can feel a bit hurt that they don't seem to make an effort to talk about the things I find interesting when I make such an effort to respond and make their thoughts feel genuinely welcomed.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike our conversations... it's just that I don't find them stimulating. I wouldn't seek them out, but I'm good at carrying on a conversation with anyone about whatever they want to talk about; I guess sometimes this feels like it's taken advantage of. Although again, I'm sure it's not intentional. They're very nice people, but I think that generally the people they interact with are other sensors so they probably don't even realize that I want to talk about other things and that all the details of theirs and everyone else's lives are not things I find inherently interesting.

    It's not like I am sitting there bored out of my mind, thinking when will she stop talking?! I can normally, in the moment, force myself to feel involved in and care for what they are saying...but it is so tiring and really really not stimulating.

    For me, I want to connect at a different level, to find that conversation that makes my eyes light up and my mind race. I am not sure if these sensing people I know also want this and get it from the types of conversations that we have (or conversations they have with other sensors perhaps...) or if that type of connection isn't something they strive for.
    I've pretty much given up trying to get that connection with the sensors that I know. Too many times of trying and being rebuffed; my sensitivity can only take so much!
    I could have written that. I have lots of sensor friends but at times I have exactly the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkmoon View Post
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    Bullets dont work on ghosts....... I was fucking around with an "s". I am assuming you were shooting a me? or were you shooting a "s"? I'm drunk....
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    ISTPs are kind of the exception to the rule.

    the combo of tertiary Ni + the fact that Ti can be quite "deep"

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