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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I don't think Sensors are being given enough credit.
    Yeah, that's usually true around here.
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    I dunno, I reckon Mave was just sorta exaggerating a stereotype case in order to illustrate and highlight the main differences. Of course very few people are walking stereotypes so it goes without saying...
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    It's good you bumped this topic though, I'd forgotten how BRILLIANT my responses were.
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    I like this board, but sometimes Ns can be very annoying about getting to the point too. They ask really vague questions when they want to know about solutions to very specific problems. For example, an opening post might ask about why ESFPs are flighty, but a few posts later the real question would turn out to be "How do I get this ESFP to pay attention to me?". (An exaggeration, but common phenomenon.)

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    Example. I asked this ESTJ to tell me about his friend...

    ME: "Tell me what your best friend is like!"

    HIM: "You always ask me this! I can't describe people... I can tell you where they are from and what they do, but I don't think that's what you want to know..."
    I'm an evil sensor and I have the same conversations with my ESTJ friend (maybe all ESTJs just are bad at concisely getting to the essence of the story). The Si just spews out summarizing fact, fact, fact (resume facts, no less). Whereas I start off with the most important categorization and follow up with key facts supporting this conclusion (Probably more a Ti-thing).
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    The beating around the bush habit you describe Colors is actually for a reason... I just can't get my head into articulating it at the moment but I'll have another go later lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Maverick makes plenty of sense, but unless the stereotype is intentional I don't think Sensors are being given enough credit.
    Word. It made all the S types sound like a bunch of shallow whiners. But that's what generalizations like that do, right? I mean, it got to the essence of S and N, but... I dunno. I guess I agree with Substitute. Although we kind of have an N overload here (no offense to you guys - I just wish things were more balanced. The SJ Guardhouse always seems pretty empty).

    Oh, and Colors? You're totally right about ESTJs. We have kind of a hard time getting to the point quickly, because we feel like all the facts are equally cool/relevant. We're not good journalists, I guess, like you Ti-types who instinctually follow that journalistic rule: start off with your main point and sort your info from most important to least important as you go.

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    to the OP: an intelligent person of any type, N or S, shouldn't have any problem conversing with a person of another type, it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to approach a conversation. Whining just makes it sound like you just can't figure out how to talk to an S, which is kind of sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh, and Colors? You're totally right about ESTJs. We have kind of a hard time getting to the point quickly, because we feel like all the facts are equally cool/relevant. We're not good journalists, I guess, like you Ti-types who instinctually follow that journalistic rule: start off with your main point and sort your info from most important to least important as you go.

    (Evil Sensors... LOL. )
    Well the good thing about not starting off with your main point- is that your mind can still change. It's a more open approach that includes dissenting members of the audience into the conversation. I mean when you start off with the statement: "Connecticut is the best place ever."- you've probably already alienated anyone who thinks differently. It's all or nothing.

    Whereas if you start off with "Connecticut has good pancakes"- if they agree- even if they disagree with your ultimate conclusion, you've won at least a little ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    Well the good thing about not starting off with your main point- is that your mind can still change. It's a more open approach that includes dissenting members of the audience into the conversation. I mean when you start off with the statement: "Connecticut is the best place ever."- you've probably already alienated anyone who thinks differently. It's all or nothing.

    Whereas if you start off with "Connecticut has good pancakes"- if they agree- even if they disagree with your ultimate conclusion, you've won at least a little ground.
    Interesting! I wonder if Ns have a tendency to reason from general to specific and Ss from specific to general (or vice versa)?

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    We invent lightbulbs....they like lampshades. It is an evolutionary division that hasnt manifested...in the future s/i babies catch fire in the womb. Seriously....worker ants are as essential as the masterminds. How can we be masters w/o them. Scales have two balances.....counterweight.
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