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    Senior Member Winds of Thor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Oh. Dear.

    I've found duct tape and logging chain works pretty well.

    SOMETIMES. O.o

    Hug-hitting. Hit-hugging. Both?
    ..never used that on me~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yeah I know, it's not easy being an elderly man at the age of 25.
    25?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    We're not emo; we're just annoyed and complaining.
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    Yet more proof that you can't read our emotions, but you think you can.
    And you know what they say about people who assume that others are assuming?

    They're annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Well now that I realise that I'm just as likely to be a 57 yo man called Rodg as I am an INTJ and accept I may be one of them difficult ENTP I bagged in the OP I would have to agree. Hit me, make it hard, make it sting but make it respectful and I'll respect you... of course I'd prefer it not to be a literal hit or I'll have to cripple you and I'd really rather not to see others rolling around on the ground in pain.
    I respect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Did it occur to you to give the benefit of the doubt, assume that this is a basically good person with whom there seems to just be a communication problem, be yourself and just level with them directly and just say what your problem is in plain English, and give them a chance to explain/apologize for unintentionally upsetting you, thereby potentially gaining a loyal and resourceful friend rather than pushing away someone you're wrongly assuming is "out to get you"?

    Cos I can guarantee, that would work with 99% of ENTP's.
    I've tried that. Doesn't work. Because they don't reciprocate the gesture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    So Iíve noticed in some of my interactions with (immature) ENTPs that the nicer I am the more abrasive and shocking they appear to be but once I get a little nasty they respect what Iím saying and are more co-operative, is this the case?

    What is the best way to make an ENTP stop and reassess their actions when they are out of line?
    just show them who is boss by ignoring what they have to say, or dismissing it. if you keep on trying to relate to them they will send you on a wild goose chase. they have a way of making you want to relate to them. anyway if you have any doubt that they are trying to screw you up show them who is boss by just dismissing what they just said and show them that you wouldn't fall for their crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    So Iíve noticed in some of my interactions with (immature) ENTPs that the nicer I am the more abrasive and shocking they appear to be but once I get a little nasty they respect what Iím saying and are more co-operative, is this the case?

    What is the best way to make an ENTP stop and reassess their actions when they are out of line?
    Immature ENTP? Out- do/smart/wit them, while seeming to play within the 'rules' of their game.

    You bring it? I'll finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Immature ENTP? Out- do/smart/wit them, while seeming to play within the 'rules' of their game.

    You bring it? I'll finish it.
    that is exactly what ENTPs do to others. play within the rule(appear to)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    I've tried that. Doesn't work. Because they don't reciprocate the gesture.
    For that to be true, there's got to be some kind of exceptional circumstances going on there, cos I guarantee you, if you're frank and open with anything but the most unhealthy of ENTP's, they will reciprocate the gesture.

    Could it be that you're not being actually direct, but just what counts as directness for you? I mean no offense, but I've known Fe types to be very "beat around the bush" and leaving things to be implied or whatever, not really saying anything definite or explicit, and then later claiming to have told me "explicitly"... and also I've known Fe types to take what is actually my attempts at openness and directness as "being mean" or personal criticisms, at which point they switch off and don't listen. I've had it so many, many times where I've been very carefully choosing my words to say exactly what I mean and no more or less, and yet the FJ seems to insist on "reading between the lines", mostly inaccurately.

    Example:

    INFJ: So I was thinking, perhaps it might be an idea if we do X instead of Y?
    (subtitles: I really hate doing Y and it upsets me a lot, it'd mean a lot to me if we could do X instead because with all the problems I'm having at home at the mo I could do without the stress)
    ENTP: Well, whyever do that? Y seems to be working so let's stick with it
    (subtitles: why would you want to switch from something efficient to something less efficient? it just doesn't make sense, but if you have a reason then I'm listening...? Thinking: we're just talking about X and Y here, aren't we?)
    INFJ: Well I don't really mind, it's up to you, but I'd rather do X
    (subtitles: I know it's slightly less efficient but in doing X I have to deal with a person who's always rude and unpleasant to me and it really upsets me to deal with that every day. Thinking: you're just dismissing my suggestion because you think it's crap and you don't take me seriously)
    ENTP: Well if you don't mind then I'd like to continue doing Y for the time being, unless there's a good reason to change, as it's more efficient for these reasons.... I mean if you're having trouble with getting the hang of Y then just say and I can run you through it again...?
    INFJ: Well ok then, no it's alright, we'll stick with Y if that's what makes you happy. (thinks: oh great, now he thinks I'm stupid! he just doesn't give a shit how I feel does he? he doesn't think my feelings are a "good reason" for anything! I've tried to tell him my problem and he's just been critical and mean in return! It's nothing to do with Y or X or what's more efficient, it's about me being happy with my work and not adding to my stress load!)
    ENTP: Well it's not about making me happy, I'm just thinking this gets the job done quicker... (thinks: oh hang on, she used the H word - is this not about the job in fact??) But if there's a problem for you with this, I mean we could easily switch to X I suppose and give it a go for a bit....?
    INFJ: No, no, it's alright, I'll muddle through. (thinks: that's right you asshole, all you care about is getting the work done, you don't care who it hurts in the process do you?)
    ENTP: Well, if you're sure? Just let me know if there's any problems... (thinks: shit, it was about something bothering her, but now she's gone into martyr mode and won't tell me anyway!)

    That seem familiar to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    And you know what they say about people who assume that others are assuming?

    They're annoying.
    I don't need to assume that INFJs are assuming; they're too busy battering me with their emotional assumptions about my motivations for me to think it's anything else. Sound familiar?

    In all seriousness, I know ENTPs do obnoxious things too, but this one particular INFJ behavior is borderline infuriating. Cut it out, ASAP. kthx
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