# Thread: Te vs. Ti

1. Originally Posted by Nocapszy
J doesn't do anything. We use it to tell us that our judgement is extraverted.

If you have an extraverted judgement, then you're likely to seek closure in the outer world. All judgement functions seek closure. It's a misconception to think that just because it's introverted that it's not after closure. It's just more willing to 'change its mind' when the situation changes (object information -- extraverted perception).

The reason extraverted judgements don't bend to the situation change is because all their information comes from the inner world. Inner perceptions (which usually don't change until the extraverted judgement crosses the finish line) define the goal.

The situation change is of little concern to extraverted judgement -- its working to change the situation itself anyway. Of course if the stipulations require for a plan change, it will probably happen, but just because means are altered doesn't speak toward the end changing.
Since you mentioned closure, generally speaking which type is more stubborn and resistant with regard to negotiations, ESTJ or ENTJ?

2. Originally Posted by JustDave
Since you mentioned closure, generally speaking which type is more stubborn and resistant with regard to negotiations, ESTJ or ENTJ?
Again, the question is not directed at me, but I will assume that ESTJs and ENTJs are equal in terms of stubbornness and resistance, perhaps with a slight inclination to ESTJs being more so than ENTJs.

3. Originally Posted by JustDave
Ahh, that would be the logic that is often taught in math and philosophy classes. Here's a smattering of well-known terms: Modus ponus, fallacies of logic, red herring, straw man, etc.

IMHO, it is the application of reason to evaluate statements and forming conclusions.
I have never been good at formal logic.
It doesn't come naturally,
nor was I ever taught it.
I've had people use it against me.
It just makes me wonder why they can't talk like normal people.

INTJ = Ni Te

4. I'd say formal logic was a Ti-related issue.

5. Originally Posted by Ezra
I'd say formal logic was a Ti-related issue.
I concur.

6. Originally Posted by JustDave
Which function is concerned with the application of formal logic, Ti or Te?

Is it possible for someone with a strong Thinking preference to have a weak ability to apply formal logic?

The intent of this thread is to clarify certain aspects of the thinking preference as based upon what I have read since joing this forum I am almost certain I have a preference for Thinking. Nevertheless I can think of several powerful reason to support a conclusion that I have a preference for feeling.
The subject is beyond the measure.

7. Gee, thanks for slamming the brakes on this thread.

8. Originally Posted by JustDave
Gee, thanks for slamming the brakes on this thread.
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Nice avatar!

9. Originally Posted by JustDave
Since you mentioned closure, generally speaking which type is more stubborn and resistant with regard to negotiations, ESTJ or ENTJ?
Well I don't know what the relevance is, but could you clarify the question?

10. Originally Posted by JustDave
Since you mentioned closure, generally speaking which type is more stubborn and resistant with regard to negotiations, ESTJ or ENTJ?
In my opinion, both of these types are equally strong-minded and "stubborn".
I think the SJ would be more stubborn to prevent change and to preserve tradition,
where the NT would be more stubborn to promote change and start something new.

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