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    So Ti is driven by interest and Te is driven by necessity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    That's great, but how does Te differ from Ti?
    Te = application-oriented, external, linear, organizational, empiricist, pragmatic, strategic, absolutist , business-like, etc.

    Ti = pure reason, internal, holistic, analytical, reductionist, mathematical, structural, detached, relativist, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    Te is more of an organizational process, and Ti is more of an internally taking apart things and figuring out how they work.
    Thank you.

    So what I am trying to determine is it possible for one to possess a strong preference for Te yet a relatively weak one for Ti?

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    Ti and Te are expressed differently in different types. For example, the location and type of intuition has a strong influence on how it is expressed.

    INTJs use their thinking function as a means of gathering and organizing vast amounts of information in an attempt to support their intuitions. This is a very goal oriented way of using logic and they can build impressive systems with it. In other words, they usually use their thinking as an ends to their mean, using it only to support their conclusions and never to challenge them. This means they usually don't have the ability to assess and question what they believe because they have invested so much time and energy into building it. That isn't to say they don't question themselves, but once they have settled on an idea in their mind, they won't let it go.

    INTPs use their thinking function as a means of clarifying and defining anything they encounter. They use it in accordance with their intuition to see patterns in perception and thought, which they can then critique for accuracy. While they are awesome at breaking down systems, they aren't as adapt as building them up as INTJs.

    ENTPs use their thinking function as a bullshit meter. They observe patterns with their intuition and compare them to earlier experiences and come to instantaneous conclusions. They are the observers and experimenters. However, they are prone to twisting conditions in situations in order to see how it will end up or even if they can predict the outcomes by controlling the parameters.

    ENTJs are the case builders. They use their thinking as a means to an end, and build convincing arguments. However, their cases tend to be built completely on how they perceive the world and they lack the capacity to see it from other points of view. This makes it appear like they believe they are the center of the universe to other types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkw View Post
    Te = application-oriented, external, linear, organizational, empiricist, pragmatic, strategic, absolutist , business-like, etc.

    Ti = pure reason, internal, holistic, analytical, reductionist, mathematical, structural, detached, relativist, etc.
    MerkW and others, I have a tendency to only find interest in theoretical subjects when they have a practical application. Would this be an example of Te or Ti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Ti and Te are expressed differently in different types. For example, the location and type of intuition has a strong influence on how it is expressed.

    INTJs use their thinking function as a means of gathering and organizing vast amounts of information in an attempt to support their intuitions. This is a very goal oriented way of using logic and they can build impressive systems with it. However, they usually use their thinking as an ends to their mean, using it only to support their conclusions and never to challenge them. This means they usually don't have the ability to assess and question what they believe because they have invested so much time and energy into building it. That isn't to say they don't question themselves, but once they have settled on an idea in their mind, they won't let it go.

    INTPs use their thinking function as a means of clarifying and defining anything they encounter. They use it in accordance with their intuition to see patterns in perception and thought, which they can then critique for accuracy. While they are awesome at breaking down systems, they aren't as adapt as building them up as INTJs.

    ENTPs use their thinking function as a bullshit meter. They observe patterns with their intuition and compare them to earlier experiences and come to instantaneous conclusions. They are the observers and experimenters. However, they are prone to twisting conditions in situations in order to see how it will end up or even if they can predict the outcomes by controlling the parameters.

    ENTJs are the case builders. They use their thinking as a means to an end, and build convincing arguments. However, their cases tend to be built completely on how they perceive the world and they lack the capacity, to see it from other points of view. This makes it appear like they believe they are the center of the universe to other types.
    Hmm ... the ENTJ description might be a good fit with one problem. I am usually good at understanding and accepting other view points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottaprettygal View Post
    Te is more of an organizational process, and Ti is more of an internally taking apart things and figuring out how they work.
    Exactly.

    Examples of using Te: calculating profit, devising strategy, maximizing efficiency, starting business endeavors, improving, gathering empirical data, creating a physical system of organization, list-making, scheduling, etc.

    Examples of using Ti: analyzing a situation, breaking external systems, figuring out how something works, building internally ordered systems, checking for logical consistency, hairsplitting, flaw-finding, creating algorithms and equations, mastering a skill, obsessive focus, creating theoretical scenarios (some Ne here, though), etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Thank you.

    So what I am trying to determine is it possible for one to possess a strong preference for Te yet a relatively weak one for Ti?
    Most definitely. I would say that most ESTJs have a strong preference for Te and a weak one for Ti. And vice versa for many INTPs.

    Here's a thread that you may find useful:

    Ti/Te users: Explain the differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    MerkW and others, I have a tendency to only find interest in theoretical subjects when they have a practical application. Would this be an example of Te or Ti?
    Well, theoretical interest also ties in with N functions, so you could be an N (theory) combined with Te (application).

    However, if you are an S, then you would more likely be Ti.
    "The mathematician's patterns, like the painter's or the poet's must be beautiful; the ideas like the colours or the words, must fit together in a harmonious way. Beauty is the first test: there is no permanent place in the world for ugly mathematics..." - G.H. Hardy

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Hmm ... the ENTJ description might be a good fit with one problem. I am usually good at understanding and accepting other view points.
    No, I would say you are an ENTP.

    Something to keep in mind is that the only type that has a better bullshit meter than an ENTP is the INFJ. We are usually just too nice to say anything, and also because we like to watch people dig their own graves.
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