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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    ENTJs can be bullies or misinterpreted as bullies. It really depends on their motivation behind the behaviour. But one thing that I find curious, is the belief that we don't know what we're doing. We do know but just don't care, since there are people who are relevant or irrelevant to us. Inner circle people are relevant, in terms of caring about their feelings. These are the people who can hurt us. The next circle would be people who we're neutral towards, respect or are friendly with, whose feelings matter to us to some extent although they can't hurt us. Outside these two circles, others are largely irrelevant unless they become useful to us.
    Seriously not trying to make this a me! me! ENTP! thing, but I know for a fact I've hurt people with words that just came out. Wasn't trying to. And in fact, I didn't even know I said them, or I forgot, thinking nothing of it, until it was brought up.

    Just sayin', I can relate.

    I do think ENTPs are a little less cognizant about what they say than an ENTJ (and obviously these are ALL generalizations).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    You do realize that the notion that bullying is unhealthy or healthy is subjective but there is empirical evidence which demonstrates it isn't healthy?
    there's tough love, and then there's bullying. there's a big difference.

    I never learned shit from ANY bullies when I was young except fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    You do realize that the notion that bullying is unhealthy or healthy is subjective but there is empirical evidence which demonstrates it isn't healthy?
    Magnitude. If two people disagree, who's the bully and who's the victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    there's tough love, and then there's bullying. there's a big difference.

    I never learned shit from ANY bullies when I was young except fear.
    I agree. Tough love. But bullying is bullying. Someone who thinks that they are showing tough love when they are really bullying though is harming instead of helping.

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    Magnitude. If two people disagree, who's the bully and who's the victim?
    Circumstantial. It will be self evident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Seriously not trying to make this a me! me! ENTP! thing, but I know for a fact I've hurt people with words that just came out. Wasn't trying to. And in fact, I didn't even know I said them, or I forgot, thinking nothing of it, until it was brought up.

    Just sayin', I can relate.

    I do think ENTPs are a little less cognizant about what they say than an ENTJ (and obviously these are ALL generalizations).
    It depends on the ENTP and the situation. Some ENTPs deliberately provoke emotional responses for curiosity sakes.

    But ENTPs are more governed by emotion than ENTJs because of their tertiary Fe. This doesn't mean that the F function = emotions. But something about values violations evoke stronger emotional responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Magnitude. If two people disagree, who's the bully and who's the victim?
    Just out of curiosity, do you think that all disagreements have to involve a bully and a victim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    It depends on the ENTP and the situation. Some ENTPs deliberately provoke emotional responses for curiosity sakes.

    But ENTPs are more governed by emotion than ENTJs because of their tertiary Fe. This doesn't mean that the F function = emotions. But something about values violations evoke stronger emotional responses.

    This is false. Inferior feeling and extroverted feeling are not related to affect or emotion. There are psychopaths of all mbti types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    Circumstantial. It will be self evident.
    From whose perspective? From an objective perspective, two people with similar intelligence going head to head in a thread =/= the winner being the bully where the loser cries victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    From whose perspective? From an objective perspective, two people with similar intelligence going head to head in a thread =/= the winner being the bully where the loser cries victim.
    you have quite an imagination. Are you sure your primary cognitive function is thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    This is false. Inferior feeling and extroverted feeling are not related to affect or emotion.
    Orly? Ask any feeler if they believe their strength is in emotional management whether of themselves or others.

    There are psychopaths of all mbti types.
    Can you explain the relevance of this comment to our discussion?

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