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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Jerk.


    Edit: Actually, not according to the "definition" you posted for that word.
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    It's rarely if ever "all system". I suppose ENTJs are only "all jerks" some of the time, if ever (*).

    We're just mixing it with different spoons.

    * classic enfp point of view.

    What I see as the entj bullying behaviour is when they have some clear idea of how the thing needs to work, and the people they put into it, aren't doing exactly as they want them to. Well, that's people for you So they get a bit frustrated and start ordering them around, which comes off.

    Or a hundred variations of the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post

    The problem is that people are mindless reactionary cavemen with a vicious nature and a cowardly streak a mile wide. An individual, however, is a reasonable thinking person capable of great compassion and honour. How do you put a system into place to ensure that both are catered for? The answer is probably that you lock an ENTJ and an ENFP in a room to figure it out and any idea they both agree on , you implement.
    (of course you'd ask an INTP to check your work first for errors and logical inconsistencies)

    Trust me, my father ENTJ finds my long term friend ENFP as much of a douche as vice versa. They both see the others point, respect it, the person saying it and their intelligence but neither could walk as the other. It just doesn't fit right.

    Now take that experience and understanding away and you have the potential for conflict. At which point I would expect the ENTJ to emerge the victor due to their superior constructive and destructive ability as they sum their efforts (J) where as the ENFP is half at war with himself (P). In the aftermath both sides would see the other in a less than favourable light but it's the ENTJ who has used a style closest to what is commonly referred to as bullying and hence they'd get the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post


    Edit: Actually, not according to the "definition" you posted for that word.
    Low blow, LOW BLOW!!!

    Calling an INTP on definitions...You utter swine.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?
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    I don't see what many ENTJs do as "bullying", so much as "bull-dozing". They can be unstoppable juggernauts when they have an object in mind, and heaven help you if you're in their path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    I don't see what many ENTJs do as "bullying", so much as "bull-dozing". They can be unstoppable juggernauts when they have an object in mind, and heaven help you if you're in their path.
    accept that i've had ENTJs try to start shit with me and tell me how i was wrong when i had very little to do with their lives, and what i did or what i was accused of doing did not affect their success. so BAM! in your face
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    I think a much better question would be "ENTJs why do they bother?"

    Its exactly what I feel like today. Worked hard. Stressed the fuck out. Was then stressed further by some thoughtless asshole. Went home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Low blow, LOW BLOW!!!

    Calling an INTP on definitions...You utter swine.
    Blow me, bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardsandwarriors View Post
    People are the start and the end of every system in society. (I may be going round in circles here, putting F before T). From my pov, the system is a tool of the people; rather than people being a tool of the system.

    Those people that you put into the system, are also supposed to be the beneficiaries of it.
    Ultimately, the system is always a tool for people. Most of the time, however, they are also part of that system. People often resist attempts to remove people from systems on the grounds that it will dehumanize the system too much, and deprive it of the benefit of human judgment. (Consider, for example, debates in the military on "man in the loop" for weapons systems.) The distinction is easiest to see when the people involved in the system are separate from its beneficiaries, but this isn't always the case. A human working poorly within a system can easily jeopardize the benefit to himself and others. Then it's a bit like a variable whose rate of change is proportional to its value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Blow me, bud.
    Pussy
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?
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