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    ENTJs can be seen as bullies simply because their overwhelming desire is to remake the world so it makes sense to them. The idea that this is impossible is like a red rag to a bull, literally, they charge around in a heightened state of anger.

    What ENTJs tend to lack is a means to honestly consider their opposite. It takes a long time for them to value what appears to be without value. Perhaps what they would be best considering is "It isn't stupid if it works".

    Having had long discussions with an ENTJ (who eventually got fed up and told me to go online and find other INTPs to address my questions, hence joining INTP Central all those years ago) I find that given adequate reason they will consider their point of view. More so if they consider you competent.

    Having had similar long discussions with an INTJ, they do the exact same thing...they just don't always tell you how they just owned you through superior reasoning. My favourite statement was when my INTJ friend (someone who before that point I'd always assumed I held the position of "someone I socialise with on occasion") told me that he considered me a friend and said "I find you....interesting". Highest praise ever.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I have a weird dislike but respect thing with ExTJs (like someone said they only really start pissing me off when i spend too much time with them). I've had to work with an ENTJ for my design projects and I wouldn't really say he bullies as much as it's just being undiplomatic and not tolerating incompetence in the slightest. Some of his behaviour/words took me aback sometimes but I could always see the reasoning behind it. Doesn't mean I'm a fan of the methods though.

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    What? I consistently aid weaker persons under duress of aggressive behaviors. Growing up, I experienced bullies. However, with age, realized bullies are typically insecure, poor surroundings, generally very deficient persons. This is the basis of maturity, recognizing, successful persons create outcome, only the inferior and jealous fixate on another's traits or flaws.
    Bring it bullies, if you exist, I promise, I'm smarter than you.

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    Why do they seem to bully more than ESTJs, generally speaking?
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    My brother is most likely an ENTJ and while he is not really a bully he can come off as agressive and really opinionated and often won't budge once he's made up his mind on something and he is kick to loud you know. He's the type that if you did something to piss him off or something he doesn't approve of he will let you know. Lot of times I have to disengage or say I don't want to talk about this, because neither one of us is gonna reach a consensus. and it can feel like bullying but it's not, i suspect it's baby Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcrash View Post
    Why do they seem to bully more than ESTJs, generally speaking?
    They're not.
    I'm guessing you're American from what I've read. American culture is ENTJ so they're happier in general and can relax more into their party mode. Of all the people I've met in the UK it's usually the ESTJ who's the most aggressive and unreasonable. Probably frustrated with the general introversion and lack of conflict.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    ENTJs can be jerks, but they can also be very pleasant and likeable. The ones that've been knocked around a few times seem to fit that description better. They realize they aren't all that, and can actually be very respectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    My favourite statement was when my INTJ friend (someone who before that point I'd always assumed I held the position of "someone I socialise with on occasion") told me that he considered me a friend and said "I find you....interesting". Highest praise ever.
    INTJ hold things back more than any other type, including ENTJ. We're also prone to understatement. If he called you interesting, it means you're actually his best friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    INTJ hold things back more than any other type, including ENTJ. We're also prone to understatement. If he called you interesting, it means you're actually his best friend.
    It was the pause for thought before he said it which cracked me up.

    Perfect INTJ "friend" statement.
    Walking home drunk with a friend. Said INTJ is a marathon runner and the other guy is an overweight guy. (I should say that this marathon runner used to be the fat kid, at least in his mind).

    You know, I hate running... It's really boring.
    Yup.
    You know why I do it?
    Nope.
    So I don't end up looking like you...

    Unbelievably the guy continued on to be his best man...

    Me, I'm the coffee date for when he's not St the gym/ running/at some sort of mind meet/busy with other work colleagues.

    I think "interesting" was a well crafted statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I think "interesting" was a well crafted statement
    Could be, I don't know. Usually INTJ are too oblivious to try that though. We're not socially aware. Being both "feeling-poor," AND not an Fe type, there's unlikely to be a whole lot of effort put into being "nice/polite" when you don't really have something good to say about somebody.
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