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    I actually met an ENTJ that happens to be in charge of me at work. He's great - one of the few leaders I've ever experienced that has both patience and a capacity to understand the people around them, based on their motivations. He can read into people. And we've had discussions before and seem to agree on a lot. It was kind of strange because I guess I've always had this idea of an ENTJ being like an ESTJ or something, quick to jump to conclusions and into things without thinking about the consequences. But no, he's pretty much the opposite of that. He's the kind of person that will sit and observe when an argument goes on because he doesn't believe he should involve himself unless it seems necessary; of course if you argue with him, that's different, but he's also pretty careful not to offend people, which I thought was kind of cute. He understands that people understand and perceive reality in many different ways and seems pretty accepting of that in general. He's not a bully at all. If I had to label him anything, I'd say he's much more like a scholar than this image of a psychopathic executive pioneering some corporation or business. He's actually against the idea of a corporate dream or career and believes modern day problems and pressures are something we've slowly created for ourselves, something I do agree with, without going into detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    I actually met an ENTJ that happens to be in charge of me at work. He's great - one of the few leaders I've ever experienced that has both patience and a capacity to understand the people around them, based on their motivations. He can read into people. And we've had discussions before and seem to agree on a lot. It was kind of strange because I guess I've always had this idea of an ENTJ being like an ESTJ or something, quick to jump to conclusions and into things without thinking about the consequences. But no, he's pretty much the opposite of that. He's the kind of person that will sit and observe when an argument goes on because he doesn't believe he should involve himself unless it seems necessary; of course if you argue with him, that's different, but he's also pretty careful not to offend people, which I thought was kind of cute. He understands that people understand and perceive reality in many different ways and seems pretty accepting of that in general. He's not a bully at all. If I had to label him anything, I'd say he's much more like a scholar than this image of a psychopathic executive pioneering some corporation or business. He's actually against the idea of a corporate dream or career and believes modern day problems and pressures are something we've slowly created for ourselves, something I do agree with, without going into detail.
    Could you imagine having a conversation with him regarding precognition, synchronicity, or NDE's?
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    A large number of posts perpetuating a petty personal dispute has been moved to the Graveyard. This sort of thing should be dealt with off the main forum, as it constitutes a thread derail. Do stay on topic, and try to be constructive in what you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Some of the biggest insulters in forum history are INTJs. Are you new to the forum?
    True.

    I only meant that ENTJs are generally more direct and outspoken, whereas INTJs are not necessarily so. And I was also speaking more from my RL experience rather than on the forum. In forums, INTJs are far worse and ENTJs are pussycats by comparison. Maybe INTJs are simply more expressive and outspoke in writing (which could be attributed to that studied, holistic thinking, which writing lends itself to).

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptive View Post
    I would be more hurt by the words of an INTJ than ENTJ because INTJs understand people better and are better able to recognize how their actions can hurt people. It also feels more personal with INTJs whereas the Fi of ENTJ is stunted; they don’t choose people based on their understanding of someone’s individual weakness, they choose anyone that can’t speak Te.
    Absolutely. I agree that this can certainly be the case. I was only referring to the nature of the expression and not to the nature or degree of offence given.

    Just like an Fi-dom, they are confused on what to do with their inferior function. You’re projecting a lot of negativity onto it, think about it, what do you do with your Te? No ones knows what to do with their inferior, it’s invasive and bewildering.
    See this is what I meant about saying about how I can also end up expressing things bluntly and it comes across badly. I was only making observations. I was not passing any judgement on either type or for people struggling their inferior function. I would certainly expect ExTJs would think my Te usage to be pathetic. I find many Inf-Fi qualities in ENTJs incredibly charming and disarming, much like ENTJs seem to be charmed when INFPs act assertively.

    I really enjoy ENTJs. In the last few years I have found them more and more intriguing. That's part of the reason I'm posting in this thread. I apologise if I gave any offence.

    That sounds like an ENTJ under a lot of stress, they’re much more reasonable and focused usually.
    When it is under stress it is more angry and defensive, however it's not always demonstrated in that fashion. Like I said, ENTJs like to poke holes in others' argument as a means of testing the veracity of ideas or to help uncovering new thinking. This form of attack is how Te-Ni thinking operates; it resists internalising new information before its validity has been established to a satisfactory degree. It is an effective and legitimate way of going about things - I don't wish to claim otherwise. As a Fi-dom I'm naturally inclined to do the complete opposite: internalise everything in order to make sense of the world. There are flaws in both. It means ENTJs can come across as unsympathetic, argumentative and resistant. OTOH, INFPs can end up overwhelmed with details and unable to take appropriate action, they can fail to question and challenge information enough, and are inclined to take things way too personally.

    I’m not sure I agree that they run interference on themselves. They’re very literal people, what you see is what you get. The only difference between them and ESTJs is that you can get a explanation out of the ESTJ, ENTJ are good at explaining, they just can’t be bothered.
    It's not conscious - the inferior rarely is. To me they are literal in superficial terms, but in other ways I find them deep, contradictory and complex.

    And just to clarify I was speaking much more of unhealthy/immature versions of the type.
    For me much this goes without saying. I like ENTJs a great deal. Perhaps I missed something you didn't, but it seemed to me that the OP was about exploring a potential ENTJ flaw/attribute, and was not inviting everyone to participate in character assassination of the type. I agree that ENTJs are often misunderstood and that people are quick to point the finger at them. This is certainly a factor in some people's perception of them as bullies.

    Not to be rude, but if this is directed at me in any way, it's like trying to teach your granny to suck eggs. I am an INFP after all - this sort of thinking is my natural mindset.

    I spoke of a ENTJ that bullied me, but in a way I found forgiveable: it was for such reasons as you described, perhaps with the additional factor of her being an unhappy teenager. I was a young INFP that was so easily hurt (just as she was a young ENTJ without much patience and sensitivity) and it did so often hurt me. She was harsh and callous at times but not a bad person by any means. I actually liked her in spite of it. I'm not that kind towards most of the people that have bullied me and usually refuse to make excuses for their behaviour, so it is saying something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Not to be rude, but if this is directed at me in any way, it's like trying to teach your granny to suck eggs. I am an INFP after all - this sort of thinking is my natural mindset.
    It wasn't directed at you (hence the dashed lines between) but I do understand your perspective now, fellow fi-dom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    Could you imagine having a conversation with him regarding precognition, synchronicity, or NDE's?
    Actually, we've never talked about those things, but once he asked about a book I was reading, a book that involved Jungian symbolism and incorporated his psychological types into the characters. I tried to explain what that was and he knew immediately that I was going to say it was based on philosophical attitudes that we all seem to have. I was surprised because he not only knew about it, but understood what it was at the core. If I could figure out a way to get a discussion out of those things, I'd love to ask him about them.
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    Have any of you ENTJs ever dated a 4w5 INFP? curious.

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    I've noticed this in some online forums, as far as people who identify as ENTJ, but those I've met in person whom I've typed as ENTJ did not strike me that way. They certainly had "strong" personalities, but they didn't come across as bullies nor "sadistic".
    I thought maybe that was more of an enneagram 8 thing, and that perhaps 8s mistype as ENTJ (as profiles often seem to conflate the two).

    I haven't met many ENTJs in person (perhaps the type I've come across the least in person), but I've found them far less abrasive than the many ESTJs I've met....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I've noticed this in some online forums, as far as people who identify as ENTJ, but those I've met in person whom I've typed as ENTJ did not strike me that way. They certainly had "strong" personalities, but they didn't come across as bullies nor "sadistic".
    I thought maybe that was more of an enneagram 8 thing, and that perhaps 8s mistype as ENTJ (as profiles often seem to conflate the two).

    I haven't met many ENTJs in person (perhaps the type I've come across the least in person), but I've found them far less abrasive than the many ESTJs I've met....
    Actually that's kind of true. On many other sites you'll find a plethora of ENTJ bullies but in real life I have never met one. This is why I think those are actually narcissists and in real life they may not even be ENTJ's.

    But there are some sick and sadistic ENTJ's online, that's for sure. I haven't met any here thus far and that's what I love about Type-o central.

    The people on some sites claiming to be ENTJ's are by far the most sadistic out of any other type I've met...based on claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    There are degrees of bullying of course and ENTJ's have a particular style of afflicting others when they are in their inferior mode of operation...that is when they think they are so objective they become tyrants and cruelly subjective and harm in their environment with false pretenses of "helping you."
    This is what my ENTJ boss does. The thing that I can never understand is whether she is aware that she's doing it, or is it the enormous lack of Fi that causes her to believe that she's helping her subordinates when she's actually harming them.

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