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    Quote Originally Posted by Mademoiselle View Post
    ….Dogs?
    I don’t care about dogs.
    I thought after reading that you’ll get what I said earlier.
    OK what’re the parts you didn’t understand yet?
    I expect you to say you didn’t understand anything new.
    Please let my gut be wrong.
    Okay, let us recap what has happened, leaving out the meaningless parts:

    1. You said: "Never talk about “Loneliness” in a forum has INTJ members…", which implies a special connection between loneliness or the talk thereof and INTJs.
    2. I asked: "Why?", trying to find out what (you think) that connection is.
    3. You offered no explanation that would even attempt to answer the question. But you asked: "Shall I explain more?", inviting me to continue my inquiry.
    4. So I said: "Yes, please explain why one should 'never talk about “Loneliness” in a forum has INTJ members'. Please make sure your explanation entails the words 'INTJ(s)', 'talk', and 'always' or 'never'."
    5. None of your replies since, however wordy and wise-sounding, have shed any light on the connection in question. I remain wondering.

    Now I beg you to try. Hint: You are unlikely to succeed without the words 'INTJ(s)', 'talk', and 'always' or 'never'.

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    Well, this thread was a huge bucket of cringe.

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    INTJs are rare, hard to be spoken of naturally, and yes I think so.
    Because we’re we’re unable to express our selves, fearing to be misunderstood.
    So a time comes in every INTJ’s life to try to express him/her self in the language of “people”

    Notice when I’m talking about the other types I say “people”

    So first thing came to my mind was to express the high standards I have..
    By trying to have a high standard according to the common sense, community and even traditional rules.
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    Some INTJs are very confrontational and will not hold back from speaking their mind. Not all INTJs are 5w6s. Cp6s and 8s (or types with cp6 or 8 fixes) in particular do not mince words. Men also tend to be more direct than women.

    Unfortunately I have to agree with @Nicodemus here. The INTJ, regardless of gender and Enneatype, is quite dismissive of societal expectations at a personal level. They may, like me, see the value of group structures at an intellectual level, but will remain conflicted about applying this knowledge to their personal lives due to a clash with their intution and emotional desires. You seem very orientated towards the community. There is nothing wrong with this - it just isn't a typical INTJ trait because our Feeling function is turned inward. INFJs and ISFJs by contrast...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Unfortunately I have to agree with @Nicodemus here.
    You can breathe easy: I haven't made any claims about INTJs in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complexity View Post
    Not INFJ.

    INFJs don't express ourselves through fonts/visual arts. We have inferior Se, we aren't that good at visual arts. We are more apt to express ourselves through creative writing than through fonts/visual arts. Expressing oneself through fonts/visual arts is a very Fi-Se thing to do, ISFP enneagram 4w5 is my vote for the OP's type.
    There is a reason why ISFPs are known as The Artists
    See, now you're kind of trampling on my Ti sensibilities:

    - It's kind of silly IMO to say any single INFJ is incapable of being talented at visual arts; just because it's not as LIKELY (which i agree with) doesn't mean it's IMPOSSIBLE.

    - My INFJ daughter actually is a decent visual artist in pen/pencil, and one of my INFJ friends at my last job worked with textiles and paints.

    So I really hope that "NOT INFJ" is drawn from some other data, because otherwise this is a clear example of using type to limit someone's capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    See, now you're kind of trampling on my Ti sensibilities:

    - It's kind of silly IMO to say any single INFJ is incapable of being talented at visual arts; just because it's not as LIKELY (which i agree with) doesn't mean it's IMPOSSIBLE.

    - My INFJ daughter actually is a decent visual artist in pen/pencil, and one of my INFJ friends at my last job worked with textiles and paints.

    So I really hope that "NOT INFJ" is drawn from some other data, because otherwise this is a clear example of using type to limit someone's capabilities.
    Though words are my preferred medium, I'm in the same boat as your daughter (with weak Se, wherever it falls). Visual art takes more concentration and patience than words.

    There may be a language barrier with the OP, but I think she did express that she is best understood through interpretation of her visual art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Complexity View Post
    Not INFJ.

    INFJs don't express ourselves through fonts/visual arts. We have inferior Se, we aren't that good at visual arts. We are more apt to express ourselves through creative writing than through fonts/visual arts. Expressing oneself through fonts/visual arts is a very Fi-Se thing to do, ISFP enneagram 4w5 is my vote for the OP's type.
    There is a reason why ISFPs are known as The Artists
    You might be on to something. I wonder how @OrangeAppled would type her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opal View Post
    Though words are my preferred medium, I'm in the same boat as your daughter (with weak Se, wherever it falls). Visual art takes more concentration and patience than words.

    There may be a language barrier with the OP, but I think she did express that she is best understood through interpretation of her visual art.
    Again, as I said, there really needs to be more data triangulation rather than hinging a type read on a generalization.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    MBTI: ExxJ tetramer
    Functions: Fe > Te > Ni > Se > Si > Ti > Fi > Ne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    See, now you're kind of trampling on my Ti sensibilities:

    - It's kind of silly IMO to say any single INFJ is incapable of being talented at visual arts; just because it's not as LIKELY (which i agree with) doesn't mean it's IMPOSSIBLE.

    - My INFJ daughter actually is a decent visual artist in pen/pencil, and one of my INFJ friends at my last job worked with textiles and paints.

    So I really hope that "NOT INFJ" is drawn from some other data, because otherwise this is a clear example of using type to limit someone's capabilities.
    As a rule, if you lack a strong Sensing function visualising 3 dimensional images in your head - let alone translating them into something objective - can be difficult. It is a fair assumption to make that INFJs wouldn't be good at creating lifelike visual images (i.e. concrete art) because Ni doms are quite detached from the environment, and in extreme cases, our own bodies. To paint somebody's face accurately, you need to have a mental picture of that person's face in mind.

    As an example: I don't "see" notes in my head, I hear them, so I can't accurately write music directly down onto paper like an SP composer might be able to. I have to play it out. This puts a lot of pressure on me being an adept performer and having knowledge of theory, orchestration, etc, otherwise my intution will be too far ahead of my learned knowledge to be of much use.

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