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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I see both of these distinctions as well. Both come from basic extraversion, plus the fact that Te is in dom not aux position.

    FWIW I do martial arts as well. I don't care about showing off my ability, but rather focus on continuous self-improvement.
    Yes. In this regard we are very similar but an ENTJ can become morose if he is alone too long or does have some sort of exhibit for SE. I find that my INTJ friends can run 5-10 miles a day and do marathons easily. My limits are a few hours alone. When I go to the gym with a friend I think out loud what I'm doing so when I'm training my agility I am literally speaking about it as I do it and it gives me energy to go further.

    I imagine it could be annoying to my lifting partners unless they too are "group thinkers."

    We both have SE a bit lower on our totem pole so martial arts for both of us will be good as we must intellectually feel out our physicality.

    I envy the dominant SE types somtimes. They just know how to use their left hand and tend to excell in sports early even if they are not athletic. I have to think deeply about mirroring both sides to engage my weak side and most of my life it wasn't even a consideration.

    This is how you can tell a natural sensor. They will start using their weak hands from a young age in sports. An NT type is busy thinking instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I have an INTJ son, and possibly an ENTJ? son? And the ENTJ is very emotional. He scored super high on his Fe test. I used to think he was an F type actually, but as he is now 16, his T is really showing. He is also very Fi? He really just doesn't fit the MBTI model very well at all. Might be his enneatype would more reflect his nature...My INTJ son is veeerrrry even-keeled! Always witty, cutting, and stalwart. Yet loving. They are fun, that is for sure.

    I find myself getting along more easily with them than my other 3 S children. The S children don't really like to philosophize or talk like their brethren, so it's harder for us to find a common ground to connect. Of course, I love them all excessively. But I am so thankful I have NTJs in my life. They are hard to beat for an NF!
    I wish I had NTs in my family. We are full of NFs and sensors galore!
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    Yeah, I really do have awesome children. I think maybe my hook-up with their dad wasn't all for naught.

    I'd love to watch my children interact with my amors. I think that would rate at a 10 on the Happiness Scale for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    I wish I had NTs in my family. We are full of NFs and sensors galore!
    I wish my house has more NFs. My house is full of NTs and sensors.
    The NTs and sensors are always giving me unsolicited advice about how to live my life. Sighs. Why can't there be more NFs in my family?

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    Nicely done @Complexity! What you described are the impacts of the dom and tert extraverted functions of Te and Se, vs the impacts of the introverted dom and tert functions Ni and Fi.

    But I will say that if it took a week to fix the computer, the ENTJ in question wasn't terribly motivated to do so. For myself, computers are fixed or replaced within hours. Serious biznezz.
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    Both ENTJ's and INTJ's are prone to procrastination though. SE is lower on the functional stack and it is associated with execution and doing especially in conjunction with TE but the ENTJ can still be lazy. They do not however like to be lazy and what they plan to execute can weight them down tremendously so. They could become obsessed with their plan so long as they are not doing it which is what is different about J's vs. Perceiving types. J's tend to freak out when procrastinating because they are hyper-aware of their benchmarks where as P's seem to be okay and at ease with it.
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    We could say procrastinating probably puts the ENTJ in his shadow modes operendi.
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    ENTJ's make more money.

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    This is a very interesting thread. As an Xntj on most tests it has some personal importance. My thoughts so far:
    1. Entj will focus more on appearance and packaging of things than Intj
    2. ENTJs are better at debating
    3. INTJs are better writers
    4. ENTJS work much more easily with people and order them like chess pieces
    5. INTJs are better with ideas and order those
    6. ENTJs have more outward energy and a larger network
    7. INTJs have a very small set of friends
    8. ENTJs handle surprises better than INTJs (INTJs are not good at spontaneous things)
    9. INTJs more easily take people's feelings into account
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    INTJs can empathize. ENTJs? Haven't found one yet that can.
    Well shit, now that I think about it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny View Post
    Haha I love how you described INTJs and ENTJs. I agree with you. Among all the 4 NTs, I think INTJs are the most empathetic and they are also the easiest to get along among all the 4 NTs.
    I totally disagree that INTJs are the most empathetic of NTs. Most of -NTPs I've met appeared to be more empathetic than me.
    But I would concur that ENTJs are the least empathetic of the NTs.

    Majority of ENTJs I've met made me look like a pussycat, and most of y'all old-timer-bitches on this board know that I'm not exactly a gentle fella. I get the sense that a lot of ENTJs are victims of their own success - they are very effective at getting things done by relying solely on brute force of Te and disregard of societal norms, so they never develop emotional intelligence. I can't count how many times I've seen ENTJs pay a gallon of blood for something they could have prevented with a gram of empathy.
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    INTP's attitude towards the inside is the same as ENTJ's attitude towards the outside. So if Si is perceiving the subjective world based on memory (like the theoryof the forms of plato) and Se is perceiving the real world as it is, the INTP is the type with most "efficient" and logically organized subjective world (Si)
    so the ENTJ is the best type at organizing and logically manipulating the real world.The ENTJ i believe is living at a real life game of chess.
    The intj on the other hand is not so adept at living and interacting with the real world.So the intj will be more inclined to be good at things like philosophy , science , economics etc.. intj is good at having insights about the real world and use them or show them to humanity to serve a moral purpose (Fi) .Kinda like karl marx for example he had insights about how capitalism works and why its bad(according to him) and how humanity can be made better, and showed them to the people ,everything he did was backed/serving his moral values (justice for example)

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