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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizm View Post
    This is a load of bull. And just because you suppress your anger, dear Enneagram 1, doesn't mean you don't actually have it.
    It is true that all human beings experience anger along with the other emotions, however, there isn't any reason to assume that everyone processes the same amount of anger. The way we have learned and choose to react to our environment has a lot to do with the amount of any emotion we process. Anger is a response to assuming our rights have been violated. The more entitled we assume ourselves to be, the more opportunity there is to react to a situation with anger when we don't get what we think is rightfully ours. There are certain types of reasoning that can minimize these assumptions. There are also physiological factors that can reduce or increase the presence of emotion.

    So, when an individual claims to process little or no anger, and doesn't experience rage, it doesn't mean that a significant amount of anger is suppressed. Even if it is a "load of bull", it might not be a truckload, it might only be a very tiny load that could fit in the back of a Tonka truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Then he'd probably say you are not an INTP.
    If everyone he said is not an INTP really was not an INTP, we really -would- be the smallest percentage of the population. He only accepts robots...dreamers aren't good enough to be INTP, we have to be F's. Or S's. Actually I'm not sure, all I know is we have to be "Elsewhere".

    I have extremely strong emotions, right across the board. When I was younger, you would never have seen them, because if I let them loose even a fraction of an inch, they would geyser. I lived the first 15 years of my life with the cold-dead-eyes-of-a-snake and a reputation for being cold, calculating, ruthless, etc. When I was a teen, I stopped giving a shit about the effect I may or may not have on others and became a sociopathic hoodlum for a while.

    Long years with my soul on the grindstone of life seems to have blunted them somewhat, I've also learned to "surf" them better than before. I also do not fear exposing others to them, as it turns out, not everybody is quite as unnerved by the emotions of people around them as I am, so showing what I'm feeling really isn't crushing them like feeble bugs underfoot.

    When I get angry, I clamp down on it and only let a trickle out. This would be the "spitting darts" thing Ivy mentioned. If it builds to a certain point, I hasten to solitude, because I know I will soon be out of control, and I have learned to hate the aftermath of such outbursts enough to fight it like crazy.

    I guess I qualify for "dressing it up intellectually". I fight to not show it at all, which, apparently, is the intellectual ideal (Spock).
    "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
    If everyone he said is not an INTP really was not an INTP, we really -would- be the smallest percentage of the population. He only accepts robots...dreamers aren't good enough to be INTP, we have to be F's. Or S's. Actually I'm not sure, all I know is we have to be "Elsewhere".

    I have extremely strong emotions, right across the board. When I was younger, you would never have seen them, because if I let them loose even a fraction of an inch, they would geyser. I lived the first 15 years of my life with the cold-dead-eyes-of-a-snake and a reputation for being cold, calculating, ruthless, etc. When I was a teen, I stopped giving a shit about the effect I may or may not have on others and became a sociopathic hoodlum for a while.

    Long years with my soul on the grindstone of life seems to have blunted them somewhat, I've also learned to "surf" them better than before. I also do not fear exposing others to them, as it turns out, not everybody is quite as unnerved by the emotions of people around them as I am, so showing what I'm feeling really isn't crushing them like feeble bugs underfoot.

    When I get angry, I clamp down on it and only let a trickle out. This would be the "spitting darts" thing Ivy mentioned. If it builds to a certain point, I hasten to solitude, because I know I will soon be out of control, and I have learned to hate the aftermath of such outbursts enough to fight it like crazy.

    I guess I qualify for "dressing it up intellectually". I fight to not show it at all, which, apparently, is the intellectual ideal (Spock).
    A good way to vent spleen is to drive out of town at night, in the moonlight.
    See there are no houses within a mile or two. Find a desolate field where nobody can hear you. Only then start to yell.
    The next day your throat may be a little sore though. Otherwise you feel a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I totally sympathise with the breaking inanimate things. That's usually when I do beat myself up. I realise I've broken it and that I now care that I've broken it so I then have to find something that I won't care about and break that too to release the second wave....
    Today I was looking for postage stamps on a cluttered table in a hurry. It only took me about 15 seconds before I got so impatient that I just pushed everything off the table. Then I found them. I usually know what I'm doing - I did that on purpose. Was it wise? Probably not, but I don't really regret that.

    Then a few minutes later, I was really looking forward to sitting down to some good food and I hit play on my DVD remote and it didn't work. Sometimes you've just got to tap the remote onto something hard and it will work again, so I did that. But I "tapped" the remote so hard that the batteries came flying out. I was pretty irritated up until then, but at that moment, I got pissed and I threw the remote at the floor really hard. Now both the batteries and 3 major pieces of the remote are scattered about the room. I'm sure I can put it back together. But still. That's pathetic. You are right. It's an expensive habit.

    On the bright side, I only do it when I'm completely alone and I usually know what I'm breaking - it just feels worth it. I'd never come close to hitting a person or something. Other people help keep me calm and focused. I don't want to scare the crap out of them.
    "When a resolute young fellow steps up the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find that it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucrativeSid View Post
    Today I was looking for postage stamps on a cluttered table in a hurry. It only took me about 15 seconds before I got so impatient that I just pushed everything off the table. Then I found them. I usually know what I'm doing - I did that on purpose. Was it wise? Probably not, but I don't really regret that.

    Then a few minutes later, I was really looking forward to sitting down to some good food and I hit play on my DVD remote and it didn't work. Sometimes you've just got to tap the remote onto something hard and it will work again, so I did that. But I "tapped" the remote so hard that the batteries came flying out. I was pretty irritated up until then, but at that moment, I got pissed and I threw the remote at the floor really hard. Now both the batteries and 3 major pieces of the remote are scattered about the room. I'm sure I can put it back together. But still. That's pathetic. You are right. It's an expensive habit.

    On the bright side, I only do it when I'm completely alone and I usually know what I'm breaking - it just feels worth it. I'd never come close to hitting a person or something. Other people help keep me calm and focused. I don't want to scare the crap out of them.
    You know I was sooo happy when I got a PS3. Not for the games you understand but just because of the bluetooth DVD remote. The damn thing actually pauses when you press the button and not some random length of time after you've hammered the thing twelve times and thrown it across the room.

    Sure their expensive but I can't think of another remote that works that well.

    Oh and the occasional game is okay too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    A good way to vent spleen is to drive out of town at night, in the moonlight.
    See there are no houses within a mile or two. Find a desolate field where nobody can hear you. Only then start to yell.
    The next day your throat may be a little sore though. Otherwise you feel a lot better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    A good way to vent spleen is to drive out of town at night, in the moonlight.
    See there are no houses within a mile or two. Find a desolate field where nobody can hear you. Only then start to yell.
    The next day your throat may be a little sore though. Otherwise you feel a lot better.
    That was you? Sheesh, you scared the crap out of me! I don't go walking out there at night anymore.
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    one of my best friends is an INTP, and he is very very laid back, and has no temper what-so-ever..

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    I can feel rage, but I don't like letting myself act on it and it's a rare feeling anyway. I think I could count the number of times I was that angry on one hand. Usually I'm just irritated or upset, and I'll rant for a bit and forget about it by the next day. Or hour. Or minute. Break my concentration on the anger somehow, and it pretty much immediately dissipates like fog in sunlight. Worst thing that typically happens if I'm genuinely angry (and I get backed into a corner wherein I can't simply contain it for a short period or remove myself from the offending situation to let the anger go) is yelling, followed by crying. Though I've heard I look pretty scary when I'm mad. Breaking things is terrible for me. It's always in the back of my mind that if I break it, I'll only regret it later and get myself upset again because I allowed myself to get too emotional and irrational in a moment of "weakness." I tried it once or twice, but found I'd rather hurt myself in the process than break things, since bruises or cuts will heal (and in the meantime serve as a reminder to try to just let things go) but I can't always fix the ruins of my favorite lamp or something.

    So yeah, I think I'd fall into the "trying to logic it" end of the spectrum, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I didn't have external outbursts involving other people until I reached my 20's and forced to be in proximity to other people, which meant often that when there was emotional stress and I couldn't get away, well, then it got uh-gly.
    I used to find some athletes correcting themselves out loud on court etc to be a lil not ok.. till later on I did the same and then lie you mentioned, no one can be tougher on me than I myself am.. which is why I think they find it 'kinda crazy' when they are at the receiving end, very rarely after persistent inefficiency, of a precise surgical analysis and admonishment on my part.. that too only if it isn't possible for me to do what they're doing cause I'm responsible for stuff that I can't leave for a bit or to anyone else for whatever reason.
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