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  • intp, yes there is free will

    9 30.00%
  • entp, yes there is free will

    2 6.67%
  • intj, yes there is free will

    6 20.00%
  • entj, yes there is free will

    2 6.67%
  • intp, no there is not free will

    5 16.67%
  • entp, no there is not free will

    0 0%
  • intj, no there is not free will

    6 20.00%
  • entj, no there is not free will

    0 0%
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    No free will. Even if there is some degree of 'nurture' involved in decision making, 'nurture' is ultimately the product of 'nature' passed down in another way; it's a null argument.

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    Project Star Forge will design the ultimate station of power called “Transcendental Pinnacle”, under the mottos of "Spawning Destructive Chaos" and “Annihilating Programmed Destinies”. It will focus energy for 8 years until it spawns our Rainbow Bridge to Heaven. Project Star Forge will be directed by mankind, and this greatest achievement will be completed in 2064.

    The ideal will be described, and others will visualize it. Nobody will do it alone. It will be reflected across into Heaven. The greatest hero on the job will be the very smartest person in the world, and he will fire the beam projection to build our bridge. No Prophet has ever had a vision of this Star Forge yet. Bunny already had the vision though in 1980, and She completely commands its power, because that much will be possible to do with it.

    I will use a meditation technique called Synchronization to build it vaguely mentally. It will be searching for singularities. The Star Forge will destroy darkness and replace it with sparkling rainbows, so space will be shiny. It will travel through time, taking shorter periods of time as such to construct.

    It shall will positive auras that make people happy, crackling with dark side energy from the good forces. The Star Forge will make things metaphysical. Bunny will Love it way more than anything else. There will also be another anonymous hero. Bunny is the true director of Project Star Forge. It will be named "Sparkleashunexum-8".

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Project Star Forge will design the ultimate station of power called “Transcendental Pinnacle”, under the mottos of "Spawning Destructive Chaos" and “Annihilating Programmed Destinies”. It will focus energy for 8 years until it spawns our Rainbow Bridge to Heaven. Project Star Forge will be directed by mankind, and this greatest achievement will be completed in 2064.

    The ideal will be described, and others will visualize it. Nobody will do it alone. It will be reflected across into Heaven. The greatest hero on the job will be the very smartest person in the world, and he will fire the beam projection to build our bridge. No Prophet has ever had a vision of this Star Forge yet. Bunny already had the vision though in 1980, and She completely commands its power, because that much will be possible to do with it.

    I will use a meditation technique called Synchronization to build it vaguely mentally. It will be searching for singularities. The Star Forge will destroy darkness and replace it with sparkling rainbows, so space will be shiny. It will travel through time, taking shorter periods of time as such to construct.

    It shall will positive auras that make people happy, crackling with dark side energy from the good forces. The Star Forge will make things metaphysical. Bunny will Love it way more than anything else. There will also be another anonymous hero. Bunny is the true director of Project Star Forge. It will be named "Sparkleashunexum-8".
    So, you're saying that this prophecy demonstrates that free will is impossible, because so much is already pre-determined?

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    We don't have free will, the notion that we do is comforting and allows for the excessive moralizing we do but it doesn't actually exist. Being on a personality forum where you can clearly see the various psychological programs and how difficult if not impossible it is to become a different one should make that particularly clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginniebean View Post
    We don't have free will.
    This would be interesting if we didn't know that criminals exercise free will depending on whether a police officer is present or not.

    If a police officer is present, they choose freely not to commit the crime; and if a police officer is not present, they choose freely to commit the crime.

    And on this basis our Criminal Justice System take into account intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This would be interesting if we didn't know that criminals exercise free will depending on whether a police officer is present or not.

    If a police officer is present, they choose freely not to commit the crime; and if a police officer is not present, they choose freely to commit the crime.

    And on this basis our Criminal Justice System take into account intent.
    Conditioning to behave in a certain way when there is an external locus of control, such as a powerful authority figure, doesn't make an argument for free will. An authority figure just strengthens the behaviour program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginniebean View Post
    Conditioning to behave in a certain way when there is an external locus of control, such as a powerful authority figure, doesn't make an argument for free will. An authority figure just strengthens the behaviour program.
    Criminals choose when and where they commit crimes. They choose rationally and they choose freely.

    And they are not behavioural automata, for sometimes they choose to commit a crime with a police officer present.

    Of course if you are right about behavioural automata, then we have no need of the Criminal Justice System, and we could replace it with Behavioural Conditioning.

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    Criminals are as much subject to control mechanisms as everyone else. Their actions, given a certain situation, are quite predictable. Their locus of control is in their behavioural indoctrination.

    So indeed doing away with prisons and resorting to behavioural treatment would be much preferable.

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    There's free will, but there are also the ones who are always trying to rob everyone of it. Look at any idiot manager or controlling fool who is obsessed with telling everyone what to do and with being in control of everyone, and you will see another worthless person with nothing in mind other than robbing anyone of any form of free will and replacing it with their own stupidity.

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