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    I'm similar in this respect, even if I'm ENTJ. However, if required, I can operate with a partial picture over the short-term and/or when the task is simple and repetitive.

    (I'm somewhere like 30% auditory, 70% spatial in that "split")
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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Vis...earner/vsl.htm

    AUDITORY-SEQUENTIAL------------------------------------VISUAL-SPATIAL
    • Thinks primarily in words ------------------------------- Thinks primarily in pictures
    • Has auditory strengths ---------------------------------Has visual strengths
    • Relates well to time ------------------------------------Relates well to space
    • Is a step-by-step learner ------------------------------ Is a whole-part learner
    • Learns by trial and error---------------------------------Learns concepts all at once
    • Progresses sequentially from easy to difficult material-----Learns complex concepts easily; struggles with easy skills
    • Is an analytical thinker--------------------------------- Is a good synthesizer
    • Attends well to details-------------------------------Sees the big picture; may miss details
    • Follows oral directions well------------------------------Reads maps well
    • Does well at arithmetic----------------------------------Is better at math reasoning than computation
    • Learns phonics easily------------------------------------Learns whole words easily
    • Can sound out spelling words----------------------------Must visualize words to spell them
    • Can write quickly and neatly ----------------------------Prefers keyboarding to writing
    • Is well-organized--------------------------------------- Creates unique methods of organization
    • Can show steps of work easily---------------------------Arrives at correct solutions intuitively
    • Excels at rote memorization----------------------------- Learns best by seeing relationships
    • Has good auditory short-term memory------------------- Has good long-term visual memory
    • May need some repetition to reinforce learning----------- Learns concepts permanently; is turned off by drill and repetition
    • Learns well from instruction----------------------------- Develops own methods of problem solving
    • Learns in spite of emotional reactions------------------- Is very sensitive to teachers’ attitudes
    • Is comfortable with one right answer--------------------Generates unusual solutions to problems
    • Develops fairly evenly---------------------------------- Develops quite asynchronously
    • Usually maintains high grades ---------------------------May have very uneven grades
    • Enjoys algebra and chemistry--------------------------- Enjoys geometry and physics
    • Learns languages in class-------------------------------Masters other languages through immersion
    • Is academically talented--------------------------------Is creatively, mechanically, or technologically gifted
    • Is an early bloomer-------------------------------------Is a late bloomer


    @Inari Love do you relate to the visual spatial learner?
    YES!

    I bolded everything that's me. I can't tell the difference in the ones that aren't at all. I think it's fair to say I relate lol.

    Edit: I can do both sides....I'm just much more efficient with the spatial/visual

    The one that is in bold and underline is the one that makes me come off as incompetent. I hate it.


    I wish teachers could have presented things in this fashion when I was in school

    This is so awesome by the way. I'm thrilled. Thanks for linking that.




    Would you personally speculate that these ways of learning would be related to functions in any way?

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    @chubber, thanks for posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    YES!

    I bolded everything that's me. I can't tell the difference in the ones that aren't at all. I think it's fair to say I relate lol.

    Edit: I can do both sides....I'm just much more efficient with the spatial/visual

    The one that is in bold and underline is the one that makes me come off as incompetent. I hate it.


    I wish teachers could have presented things in this fashion when I was in school

    This is so awesome by the way. I'm thrilled. Thanks for linking that.




    Would you personally speculate that these ways of learning would be related to functions in any way?
    Yeah, same here, I was sensitive to the way the teacher presented the material. If I (sensitive) didn't like the teacher I would switch subjects.
    Especially the complex problems relates to INTJs so well, because they prefer it in general. I struggle with normal considered "easy skills".

    Which makes me feel at odds with everyone. Nobody understands me because one minute I seem super intelligent, the next moment I seem super unintelligent.

    I think you are on to something with that Ni and also, I have been mulling over the idea, that it relates to why INTJs pull out information out of thin air. If you look at that cartoon. Because it doesn't seem related or linked, like the rest would link it.

    I'm not sure what teaching style teachers are taught themselves, but I would like to speculate that Ni or INTJ in general makes good teachers. @RaptorWizard

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    Yeah, same here, I was sensitive to the way the teacher presented the material. If I (sensitive) didn't like the teacher I would switch subjects.
    Especially the complex problems relates to INTJs so well, because they prefer it in general. I struggle with normal considered "easy skills".

    Which makes me feel at odds with everyone. Nobody understands me because one minute I seem super intelligent, the next moment I seem super unintelligent.

    I think you are on to something with that Ni and also, I have been mulling over the idea, that it relates to why INTJs pull out information out of thin air. If you look at that cartoon. Because it doesn't seem related or linked, like the rest would link it.

    I'm not sure what teaching style teachers are taught themselves, but I would like to speculate that Ni or INTJ in general makes good teachers. @RaptorWizard
    Yea. I think they would be good teachers cause once they learn the ins and outs of something, they really know it. Especially coupled with Te, cause then Te can break down the knowledge so that it's easily re-learnable/tangible.


    Edit: Maybe except for the large group interaction part...

    Probably better one on one teaching.

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    Ehm..I'm no NJ, but...I work this way as well

    Visual spatial for me, for the most part, though my auditory memory works really well when listening to a professor.

    Also, I learn in 3 ways:

    - short term memory abuse: I have a photographic memory and as long as I sort of understand the subject, I can memories entire pages by taking a mental picture, causing me to go ' skip to page 216, write down definition of whatever t is they're asking for verbatim'. I lose that info within two days though and there is a limit to how much I can absorb that way.

    - The way that Ni-users here described, though I need more than one read. I get too 'close' to the book, meaning I need to take a step back, review how the chapters were structured to gain a full oversight of the subject, but that only takes me 10 minutes after reading the book. But it is something I actively have to do, otherwise that information starts getting mashed together, and twisted, swirling around in my head without proper categorisation. I ...hesistate to use that one book as the end all on that subject however, though I can do it. it doesn't feel comfortable as I feel I'm lacking control groups and peer-testing, if that make sense
    But, for the most part, despite its limitations, it gets me where I need to be and gives me enough mastery to do what I need to do with that subject.

    - My ...natural way? I read a bunch of books, without reviewing how the authors structured them. Did this with wicca - bought 10 beginner guides to get as many povs as possible on the subject, so I can freely associate and cherry pick how the subject will work for *me*, and the repetition helps me discover the many ways I can use that same information from different angles. It is like standing in the same spot, and take 8 different pics in the 8 different directions, so you get a full idea of what that spot looks like. I feel most safe when doing this, feeling like I can do anything with the material and extrapolate on what i know with educated guesses. It also takes the longest, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Ehm..I'm no NJ, but...I work this way as well

    Visual spatial for me, for the most part, though my auditory memory works really well when listening to a professor.

    Also, I learn in 3 ways:

    - short term memory abuse: I have a photographic memory and as long as I sort of understand the subject, I can memories entire pages by taking a mental picture, causing me to go ' skip to page 216, write down definition of whatever t is they're asking for verbatim'. I lose that info within two days though and there is a limit to how much I can absorb that way.

    - The way that Ni-users here described, though I need more than one read. I get too 'close' to the book, meaning I need to take a step back, review how the chapters were structured to gain a full oversight of the subject, but that only takes me 10 minutes after reading the book. But it is something I actively have to do, otherwise that information starts getting mashed together, and twisted, swirling around in my head without proper categorisation. I ...hesistate to use that one book as the end all on that subject however, though I can do it. it doesn't feel comfortable as I feel I'm lacking control groups and peer-testing, if that make sense
    But, for the most part, despite its limitations, it gets me where I need to be and gives me enough mastery to do what I need to do with that subject.

    - My ...natural way? I read a bunch of books, without reviewing how the authors structured them. Did this with wicca - bought 10 beginner guides to get as many povs as possible on the subject, so I can freely associate and cherry pick how the subject will work for *me*, and the repetition helps me discover the many ways I can use that same information from different angles. It is like standing in the same spot, and take 8 different pics in the 8 different directions, so you get a full idea of what that spot looks like. I feel most safe when doing this, feeling like I can do anything with the material and extrapolate on what i know with educated guesses. It also takes the longest, unfortunately.
    How do you think your split is, would it be similar to what @FDG mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    How do you think your split is, would it be similar to what @FDG mentioned?
    Let's see...


    UDITORY-SEQUENTIAL------------------------------------VISUAL-SPATIAL
    Thinks primarily in words ------------------------------- Thinks primarily in pictures
    Has auditory strengths ---------------------------------Has visual strengths
    Relates well to time ------------------------------------Relates well to space
    Is a step-by-step learner ------------------------------ Is a whole-part learner
    Learns by trial and error---------------------------------Learns concepts all at once
    Progresses sequentially from easy to difficult material-----Learns complex concepts easily; struggles with easy skills
    Is an analytical thinker--------------------------------- Is a good synthesizer
    Attends well to details-------------------------------Sees the big picture; may miss details
    Follows oral directions well------------------------------Reads maps well
    Does well at arithmetic----------------------------------Is better at math reasoning than computation
    Learns phonics easily------------------------------------Learns whole words easily
    Can sound out spelling words----------------------------Must visualize words to spell them
    Can write quickly and neatly ----------------------------Prefers keyboarding to writing
    Is well-organized--------------------------------------- Creates unique methods of organization
    Can show steps of work easily---------------------------Arrives at correct solutions intuitively
    Excels at rote memorization----------------------------- Learns best by seeing relationships
    Has good auditory short-term memory------------------- Has good long-term visual memory
    May need some repetition to reinforce learning----------- Learns concepts permanently; is turned off by drill and repetition
    Learns well from instruction----------------------------- Develops own methods of problem solving
    Learns in spite of emotional reactions------------------- Is very sensitive to teachers’ attitudes
    Is comfortable with one right answer--------------------Generates unusual solutions to problems
    Develops fairly evenly---------------------------------- Develops quite asynchronously
    Usually maintains high grades ---------------------------May have very uneven grades
    Enjoys algebra and chemistry--------------------------- Enjoys geometry and physics
    Learns languages in class-------------------------------Masters other languages through immersion
    Is academically talented--------------------------------Is creatively, mechanically, or technologically gifted
    Is an early bloomer-------------------------------------Is a late bloomer

    ...20/80?

    God, I suddenly realise that all the shit I hated being bad at in school, coz it was supposed to be so easy, is in that left column
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Let's see...


    UDITORY-SEQUENTIAL------------------------------------VISUAL-SPATIAL
    Thinks primarily in words ------------------------------- Thinks primarily in pictures
    Has auditory strengths ---------------------------------Has visual strengths
    Relates well to time ------------------------------------Relates well to space
    Is a step-by-step learner ------------------------------ Is a whole-part learner
    Learns by trial and error---------------------------------Learns concepts all at once
    Progresses sequentially from easy to difficult material-----Learns complex concepts easily; struggles with easy skills
    Is an analytical thinker--------------------------------- Is a good synthesizer
    Attends well to details-------------------------------Sees the big picture; may miss details
    Follows oral directions well------------------------------Reads maps well
    Does well at arithmetic----------------------------------Is better at math reasoning than computation
    Learns phonics easily------------------------------------Learns whole words easily
    Can sound out spelling words----------------------------Must visualize words to spell them
    Can write quickly and neatly ----------------------------Prefers keyboarding to writing
    Is well-organized--------------------------------------- Creates unique methods of organization
    Can show steps of work easily---------------------------Arrives at correct solutions intuitively
    Excels at rote memorization----------------------------- Learns best by seeing relationships
    Has good auditory short-term memory------------------- Has good long-term visual memory
    May need some repetition to reinforce learning----------- Learns concepts permanently; is turned off by drill and repetition
    Learns well from instruction----------------------------- Develops own methods of problem solving
    Learns in spite of emotional reactions------------------- Is very sensitive to teachers’ attitudes
    Is comfortable with one right answer--------------------Generates unusual solutions to problems
    Develops fairly evenly---------------------------------- Develops quite asynchronously
    Usually maintains high grades ---------------------------May have very uneven grades
    Enjoys algebra and chemistry--------------------------- Enjoys geometry and physics
    Learns languages in class-------------------------------Masters other languages through immersion
    Is academically talented--------------------------------Is creatively, mechanically, or technologically gifted
    Is an early bloomer-------------------------------------Is a late bloomer

    ...20/80?

    God, I suddenly realise that all the shit I hated being bad at in school, coz it was supposed to be so easy, is in that left column
    I was thinking it was a N thing. I learn this way too.
    N=big picture
    S=details
    more or less. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I don't know if we learn "concepts" very well per se. I think we take in a lot of pieces of information and there is this process that goes on inside our heads and then the concept occurs to us. People might explain a concept to us but it's just a data point - raw information - until the perception is formed which internalizes it. So it is kind of like a personal concept.

    Not sure if that makes sense...
    Yeah, this is probably the best explanation that I've heard so far. Also, it fascinates me how unkinesthetically that many Ni users learn. For instance, I've known many an Ni user who could literally read a book on something like Golf per se, and then really play golf in real life like a pro. All of this despite the fact that they never even picked up a club in real life. This is absolutely fascinating to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I cannot understand concepts piecemeal, but only in their entirety. Books and course notes, on the other hand, are generally written in a linear fashion, showing you a series of pieces that make up the concept. What this means is that I will read or hear about all these pieces, not really understanding any one of them, until we get to the end and I can see how they all fit together. After reviewing it all, they will snap into place like the pieces of a puzzle, and I will have a top-down understanding of the topic that will never leave me.
    So in other words, you are almost completely lost in a college course until you get to the end, in which time you start making A's? How does that work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    It's not lol

    INFJ's, ENFJ's, INTJ's, and ENTJ's do this...

    Ni needs the whole picture to do things.

    I learn very much the way Coriolis describes.
    Yeah, I associate this with Ni as well.

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