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    Default ENTx vs. INTx -- Essential differences

    So, perhaps this one is a bit of a no-brainer...but I thought I would present them in a clear, succint format.

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    INT

    --More focused on refining, preparing and / or «aggrandizing» own ideas / theories

    --Less attracted to outside ideas, can be quite dismissive of them ... in truth, they prefer ideas imbibed with the subjective element of their minds...they're less in tune with the Zeitgeist...

    --More introspective ... usually admit to being brooding, intellectually-charged loners, familiar with the «dark side» of human life.

    --Usually prefer one-on-one discussions...also tend to be more comfortable / competent as experts in a specific field, often one that is unfamiliar to the common person.

    --Asocial tendencies...in failure, usually blame the «inevitable stupidity of the mob / humankind».



    ENT


    --More focused on presenting / selling ideas and theories.

    --Less attracted to esoteric ideas, usually dismiss them as non-sense...prefer to discuss and troubleshoot ideas that are «out there»...more in tune with the Zeitgeist.

    --More objective ... usually have no problem describing themselves as people of affairs, they see themselves as the true «rational optimists».

    --Usually more stimulated by fast-paced, group-oriented discussions...usually enjoy expressing erudition and competence in various fields.

    --Anti-social tendencies...in failure, usually accuse people of wasting time nursing their wounds and/or being too security-conscious to contribute to grand causes.
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    Yes, extraversion certainly makes the ENTx more practical and diverse, whereas introversion for the INTx makes him/her more introspective and designing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Yes, extraversion certainly makes the ENTx more practical and diverse, whereas introversion for the INTx makes him/her more introspective and designing.
    Alright then.

    But I need devastating critiques as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LUBUS View Post
    Alright then.

    But I need devastating critiques as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Yes, extraversion certainly makes the ENTx more practical and diverse, whereas introversion for the INTx makes him/her more introspective and designing.
    Compared to what and how do you measure it?


    Comparing INT with ENT isn't the best way to compare NTs as NTJ v NTP is too different.


    Quote Originally Posted by LUBUS View Post
    INT

    --More focused on refining, preparing and / or «aggrandizing» own ideas / theories
    More than what? In theory an Extrovert is more likely to take an idea to the real world, but when it comes to follow through Te in INTJs can push them to achieve a lot.

    --Less attracted to outside ideas, can be quite dismissive of them ... in truth, they prefer ideas imbibed with the subjective element of their minds...they're less in tune with the Zeitgeist...
    Te in INTJs is an extroverted function, Ti is the subjective thinking function. Meanwhile Ne in INTPs thrives on external ideas.

    --More introspective ... usually admit to being brooding, intellectually-charged loners, familiar with the «dark side» of human life.
    More introspective than what? How would you compare it considering you can't see it. The rest sounds more like an Enneagram 4/5 specific thing.

    --Usually prefer one-on-one discussions...also tend to be more comfortable / competent as experts in a specific field, often one that is unfamiliar to the common person.
    Sure.

    --Asocial tendencies...in failure, usually blame the «inevitable stupidity of the mob / humankind».
    Depends on INTJ v INTP and Enneagram.


    ENT

    --More focused on presenting / selling ideas and theories.
    Meh, externally focused sure, doesn't mean they're going to present/sell them to anyone.

    --Less attracted to esoteric ideas, usually dismiss them as non-sense...prefer to discuss and troubleshoot ideas that are «out there»...more in tune with the Zeitgeist.
    Have you met ENTPs?

    --More objective ... usually have no problem describing themselves as people of affairs, they see themselves as the true «rational optimists».
    Objective functions are the extroverted ones. For ENTJs that's Te and Se, for ENTPs it's Ne and Fe, Ti for ENTPs is not objective.

    --Usually more stimulated by fast-paced, group-oriented discussions...usually enjoy expressing erudition and competence in various fields.
    External focus and generalists v specialists again, sure.

    --Anti-social tendencies...in failure, usually accuse people of wasting time nursing their wounds and/or being too security-conscious to contribute to grand causes.
    Difference between Te/Fi and Ti/Fe would be relevant to this one.


    Some of what you've written looks at Extroversion v Introversion, some of it covers NTJ v NTP though.

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    Would be more accurate to compare NTJ vs NTP. Your method overlaps functions and makes it far too confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tralala View Post
    Would be more accurate to compare NTJ vs NTP. Your method overlaps functions and makes it far too confusing.

    The point is exactly that: comparing the NT types on the E/I preference. And with little or no referring to cognitive functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Compared to what and how do you measure it?


    Comparing INT with ENT isn't the best way to compare NTs as NTJ v NTP is too different.

    I must clarify this: the challenge here is to find patterns common to both sides, not a discourse on how the cognitive functions work


    More than what? In theory an Extrovert is more likely to take an idea to the real world, but when it comes to follow through Te in INTJs can push them to achieve a lot.



    Te in INTJs is an extroverted function, Ti is the subjective thinking function. Meanwhile Ne in INTPs thrives on external ideas.

    Here, what I am bringing forth is that Ne does not work the same way for ENTPs and INTPs ... the latter's dependent on Ti ...hence their lesser interest in outside ideas...INTPs, in comparison to INTJs, can appear more open to external ideas...but they're more concerned with their own ideas...unlike any of the ENT types.


    More introspective than what? How would you compare it considering you can't see it. The rest sounds more like an Enneagram 4/5 specific thing.

    More *insert adjective here* refers to the ENT types ... this is a comparison





    Depends on INTJ v INTP and Enneagram.
    Enneagram? Why bring it up here?



    Meh, externally focused sure, doesn't mean they're going to present/sell them to anyone.
    They're not going ... it is not necessary, but they have better talent at it than any of the INT types





    Objective functions are the extroverted ones. For ENTJs that's Te and Se, for ENTPs it's Ne and Fe, Ti for ENTPs is not objective.
    Ti for ENTPs can be more objective than for the INTPs ... because they are extraverted, their dominant function can almost turn it inside out, because Ti is dependent on Ne...it is not independent, as with the ITP types


    External focus and generalists v specialists again, sure.
    Your objection to this correlation?


    Thank you for the feedback. My comments above. Please carry on.
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