User Tag List

First 45678 Last

Results 51 to 60 of 137

  1. #51
    Analytical Dreamer Coriolis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/sx
    Posts
    17,575

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    so question.. is anyone offended by these?

    and please don't answer about someone else - answer about yourselves:
    do derogatory nicknames and "hate speech" associated with your respective "protective groups" actually offend you?

    i've being called kike & had holocaust jokes thrown at me, jewish scambag - i've had angst about the organ trading rabbi's at NJ redirected at me a few years back, i've being called sand nigger & terrorist (because apparently from the white american perspective i just look arab), not to mention a never ending list of giant jokes & fat jokes... and yet, i don't remember being offended by any of it, at least not as an adult (or for that matter even as a teen). this is not to say i can't be offended - if my guard is down then personal attacks can and have certainly gotten to me, particularly in relations to my personal relationships. i'm not saying i have a particularly thick skin at all. but these sort of group title thingies.. i dont get how can you be offended by them, unless your sense of identity gets entangled with those or whatnot.
    Most of this is just insults, which to me fall outside the issue of political correctness. Insults are always incorrect. They serve no constructive purpose, and are often factually incorrect as well (always a no-no). The only term which seems politically incorrect here is "kike", since it's literal meaning is innocuous, but it has acquired negative baggage as a tool of prejudice. This would be like calling black people "colored", or Japanese "Japs".

    I find it hard to take any of this personally, though I admit the only "protective groups" I belong to are women and Italian-Americans. If someone talks about Wops, bitches, or even chicks/broads in what should be a professional or more genteel setting, I just see them as crude and ignorant; same as if they threw around words like shit and fuck.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

  2. #52

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    so question.. is anyone offended by these?

    and please don't answer about someone else - answer about yourselves:
    do derogatory nicknames and "hate speech" associated with your respective "protective groups" actually offend you?


    i've being called kike & had holocaust jokes thrown at me, jewish scambag - i've had angst about the organ trading rabbi's at NJ redirected at me a few years back, i've being called sand nigger & terrorist (because apparently from the white american perspective i just look arab), not to mention a never ending list of giant jokes & fat jokes... and yet, i don't remember being offended by any of it, at least not as an adult (or for that matter even as a teen). this is not to say i can't be offended - if my guard is down then personal attacks can and have certainly gotten to me, particularly in relations to my personal relationships. i'm not saying i have a particularly thick skin at all. but these sort of group title thingies.. i dont get how can you be offended by them, unless your sense of identity gets entangled with those or whatnot.
    I'm actually quite fond of hate speech and extremists. Their devotion and passion motivates me to be more than a true neutral. In my eyes, it is better to be evil and change the world than neutral and never do anything. The Westboro Baptists are a great example of a group of people with real passion. Whether that passion is hateful and mean is beside the point. They have drive to accomplish something and that is rare these days.

  3. #53
    Society
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue350 View Post
    I'm actually quite fond of hate speech and extremists. Their devotion and passion motivates me to be more than a true neutral. In my eyes, it is better to be evil and change the world than neutral and never do anything. The Westboro Baptists are a great example of a group of people with real passion. Whether that passion is hateful and mean is beside the point. They have drive to accomplish something and that is rare these days.
    yea but that's sort of misses the core aspects of how that kind of passion works - their passion stems from their belief that they are speaking for "good" and fighting against the world's "evils" - they are driven by their moral stance, i doubt any of them shrug "hey i might be evil but at least i am making an impact". milking passion from the human psyche is easiest when its clear you are fighting against something and for something, because then calming down to take a step back and think for yourself becomes "letting the other side win".

  4. #54
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    13,993

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    The problem I have with Politically correct is, that it is only context based. If politically correct was to catch up with globalization. Then I might see the use for it. But what the one guy thinks he is doing good on the one side, isn't always considered good on the other side.
    What? No, political correctness is NOT context based. PC typically drops the context and interprets things according to an artificial external standard invented by someone in a major California university back in the 1970s.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  5. #55
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    13,993

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue350 View Post
    I'm actually quite fond of hate speech and extremists. Their devotion and passion motivates me to be more than a true neutral. In my eyes, it is better to be evil and change the world than neutral and never do anything. The Westboro Baptists are a great example of a group of people with real passion. Whether that passion is hateful and mean is beside the point. They have drive to accomplish something and that is rare these days.
    The Westboro Baptist Church is all about money. Its driving force is to outrage people into attacking them, thus luring them into litigation territory.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  6. #56
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    13,993

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    so question.. is anyone offended by these?

    and please don't answer about someone else - answer about yourselves:
    do derogatory nicknames and "hate speech" associated with your respective "protective groups" actually offend you?


    i've being called kike & had holocaust jokes thrown at me, jewish scambag - i've had angst about the organ trading rabbi's at NJ redirected at me a few years back, i've being called sand nigger & terrorist (because apparently from the white american perspective i just look arab), not to mention a never ending list of giant jokes & fat jokes... and yet, i don't remember being offended by any of it, at least not as an adult (or for that matter even as a teen). this is not to say i can't be offended - if my guard is down then personal attacks can and have certainly gotten to me, particularly in relations to my personal relationships. i'm not saying i have a particularly thick skin at all. but these sort of group title thingies.. i dont get how can you be offended by them, unless your sense of identity gets entangled with those or whatnot.
    It's because you don't make politics into a sport.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  7. #57
    Theta Male Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    CROW
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    9,046

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue350 View Post
    I'm actually quite fond of hate speech and extremists. Their devotion and passion motivates me to be more than a true neutral. In my eyes, it is better to be evil and change the world than neutral and never do anything.
    Fundamentally disagree. The kicker is this.... the most evil fucks in history probably thought they are doing good. Therefore, if you are making an impact for being good, and disregarding anything that might contradict your passion, how do you truly know you are not really doing it for evil?

    The second cause of mischief in human affairs is an inflated sense of self-importance. This is where the damage caused by greed comes in. It's less objectionable to me because it's usually a lot less bloody. It just makes other people starve, it doesn't send them off to the gulags or gas chambers. It doesn't commit suicide bombings or abuse prisoners.

    /True Neutral

    I might also have my head in the sand, though.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


    This is not going to go the way you think....

    Visit my Johari:
    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Birddude78

  8. #58
    Analytical Dreamer Coriolis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/sx
    Posts
    17,575

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue350 View Post
    I'm actually quite fond of hate speech and extremists. Their devotion and passion motivates me to be more than a true neutral. In my eyes, it is better to be evil and change the world than neutral and never do anything. The Westboro Baptists are a great example of a group of people with real passion. Whether that passion is hateful and mean is beside the point. They have drive to accomplish something and that is rare these days.
    I have a rare Soviet environmental poster by my desk. It reads "To destroy is easy; to build up is difficult". Destruction is not to be compared with accomplishment. Anyone who is content making a negative impact just has to fly a plane into a landmark, or shoot up a school. A positive impact generally requires more commitment and perseverance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    What? No, political correctness is NOT context based. PC typically drops the context and interprets things according to an artificial external standard invented by someone in a major California university back in the 1970s.
    It is context based, but that doesn't improve matters. It just makes the rules a moving target. Just look at the usage of "nigger". I've read that in some situations, it's OK for blacks to use this term to each other, but heaven forbid a white person utter it, even in the uncensored version of classics like Huckleberry Finn or Showboat*. What's artificial is equating terminology with human intentions, namely the desire to insult or to show respect. They don't always go that clearly hand-in-hand.

    *Consider the song "Old man river" from Showboat, a musical which highlighted the hardships of black people working on the Mississippi. Here it is from the 1936 movie, sung by the inimitable Paul Robeson.



    Wikipedia summarizes changes made to the lyrics in later renditions:

    Robeson's own 1938 changes in the lyrics of the song are as follows:
    • Instead of "Dere's an ol' man called de Mississippi, / Dat's de ol' man that I'd like to be...", Robeson sang "There's an ol' man called the Mississippi, / That's the ol' man I don't like to be"..."
    • Instead of "Tote that barge! / Lift that bale! / Git a little drunk, / An' you land in jail...", Robeson sang "Tote that barge and lift dat bale!/ You show a little grit / And you lands in jail.."
    • Instead of "Ah gits weary / An' sick of tryin'; / Ah'm tired of livin' / An skeered of dyin', / But Ol' Man River, / He jes' keeps rolling along!", Robeson sang "But I keeps laffin'/ Instead of cryin' / I must keep fightin'; / Until I'm dyin', / And Ol' Man River, / He'll just keep rollin' along!" In Scene 7 of Act II of the show, Joe does sing this verse, but rather than singing "I must keep fightin' until I'm dyin", sings "I must keep livin' until I'm dyin,/ But Ol' Man River,/ He jes' keeps rollin' along!" According to the 1988 EMI album of Show Boat, these are Hammerstein's authentic lyrics for this reprise.

    In recitals and in several of his many recordings of the song, Robeson also omitted the controversial section "Niggers all work on de Mississippi...", etc., with its middle portion "Don't look up/ An' don't look down/ You don't dast make / De white boss frown", etc., as well as its concluding "Lemme go ' way from de Mississippi/ Lemme go ' way from de white man boss, etc."
    These changes reflect the evolution of political correctness in how black people are described, even in art. Not only did the 1929 original "niggers all work . . ." get replaced by "darkies" in this 1936 version, and later "colored folks" and eventually "everyone" -- the last decidedly untrue; depictions of blacks being drunk, or longing for a leisurely lifestyle (inclination to be lazy??), or even fearing death were considered no longer appropriate.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

  9. #59
    Senior Member danseen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    784

    Default

    Depends.

    I don't use the n-word in public. Only a dope would

    But then PC infantilises grown fucking adults. Baa-baa-black-sheep is offensive? lololl.. what the fuck dudes? So black sheep don't actually exist? Oh, know it was plot by 17th/18th century British people to discredit black people and justify the slave trade right? haha..

  10. #60
    Senior Member danseen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    784

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by two cents View Post
    It's amazing how many people seem to equate being "politically correct" to being "polite" or even just not being a raging asshole to other people. So, if we are talking about political correctness, let's define our terms first, shall we?

    Being "politically correct" means not saying derogatory things about traditionally persecuted groups, because doing so is a type of persecution. That's why there's the word "political" in there. Because if you are dealing with an individual and you say derogatory things about a group this individual belongs to and/or indicate that the individual in question is not even an individual to you, but merely a representative of that group, and that you despise that group, what you are doing is a political act. You might be being an asshole too, but you are doing something distinctly different from (for example) telling someone they are ugly. What you are doing is contributing to the persecution of a group.

    To that end, not being politically correct makes you an even bigger asshole. But sure, if you want to be one, that's your choice. That's the other thing about being "politically correct" is, it's not legally enforced. I.E. you can't go to jail for being politically incorrect. You might want to brace yourself for social consequences, however, i.e. being criticized and being called an asshole. That's freedom of speech at work.

    As for "everybody needing to be offended from time to time"... do you honestly believe that people who belong to persecuted minorities somehow lack reasons/opportunities to be offended in their lives? And even if you did believe such a preposterous thing, how does it make it your job to offend them, or give them a dose of "reality"? In addition, even if you believe that and also believe it's your job to offend people, why do you think it's important for you to offend them in specifically the way that makes the offense politically incorrect, i.e. by invoking and participating in the persecution of the group(s) this person belongs to? Can you not just be offensive in any of a million other ways? It really doesn't take that much effort or imagination...

    It seems to me that people who love to bash "political correctness" are people who are somewhat deficient in social graces and can't seem to avoid offending people whether they meant to or not, but don't want to face social consequences (i.e. being criticized and disliked) for this. That's why they like to conflate "political correctness" to politeness or not offending people. That's a neat little straw man, but it doesn't actually get you off the hook for offensive behavior. Granted, it's almost impossible to go through life without ever offending somebody, but the correct response to "accidentally" giving offense is not by doubling down on being an inconsiderate asshole. Also, I realize that public opinion is not even remotely infallible, but maybe if something you are doing is consistently offensive to a lot of people, it's worth re-considering your position every once in a while (even if you keep coming to the same conclusion), just, you know, to see if you might think of new reasons why everybody is on your case about it.
    Maybe, but then people hold a total right to be racist.

Similar Threads

  1. questioning political correctness
    By Typh0n in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 05-31-2014, 03:26 PM
  2. Political Correctness
    By silversun in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 115
    Last Post: 09-29-2010, 03:04 PM
  3. Political Correctness
    By Cenomite in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 01-12-2009, 07:11 AM
  4. Replies: 69
    Last Post: 08-10-2007, 12:05 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO