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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Interesting. I think Fe, if I were to sum it up in one sentence, has 'ideal states of being' for the objective surrounding. This can be what leads to the charity and good-natured interpersonal tendency Fe is known for, but the primary thing to keep in mind is that when this type of character is present, the objective orientation to reality kind of goes out the window when logical inconsistency is presented. I think Jung was referencing the type of character in The Undiscovered Self when he said certain types were predisposed to "That doesn't happen in our house" type of thinking.



    I've never cared much for those standards of typing, seems like a weird way to identify when so many other correlations are waiting to be made.

    Si and Ti are pretty similar, sometimes I think Jung wrote them hand in hand (along with Se/Te, Ne/Fe, and Ni/Fi). The irrational attitude is essentially the character produced by the orientation to reality. Both are oriented subjectively to the objective nature of reality, but while Ti seeks to purely intellectualize the process of industry, Si/Ni embodies this industry itself and springboards outward from there. Introverted irrationality is a lot like culturing a Petri dish, while introverted rationality is a lot like studying them. Ti probably prefers the deadliest strains, Te is happy with them all.

    Are you Buddhist or any similar denomination, by any chance?
    I'm non-religious, with a belief in the mystical. I believe that there is a realm outside of logic. I think we, as people, can enter that realm, some more so than others. Call it 'heaven,' if you'd like, but I strongly doubt that there is an intelligent being there with superpowers. Somethings (such as 'love,' is what first comes to mind) cannot be properly defined with the language we have and with analysis and logic. I think when we love something more than we love ourselves, and this thing (or person) becomes part of our reason for living, it is then we reach a mystical state.

    I think the closest thing to my belief in the mystical is Plato's Realm of the Ideal (what's outside of The Cave).

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    Quote Originally Posted by idkman24 View Post
    I'm non-religious, with a belief in the mystical. I believe that there is a realm outside of logic. I think we, as people, can enter that realm, some more so than others. Call it 'heaven,' if you'd like, but I strongly doubt that there is an intelligent being there with superpowers. Somethings (such as 'love,' is what first comes to mind) cannot be properly defined with the language we have and with analysis and logic. I think when we love something more than we love ourselves, and this thing (or person) becomes part of our reason for living, it is then we reach a mystical state.

    I think the closest thing to my belief in the mystical is Plato's Realm of the Ideal (what's outside of The Cave).
    Hm. What function do you personally identify with the strongest, and for what reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Hm. What function do you personally identify with the strongest, and for what reason?
    I don't know, really.

    I think I find myself planning ahead. For instance, I am job searching right now. If I find a company I like, and decide "I think I could make it in this company," I'll look up apartments around the company, I'll research the city, I'll look up the culture, the whole 9.

    Also, something I find myself doing often is having conversations with myself out loud. Sometimes to explain something, or sometimes I have conversations with people that I think I'm going to see in the future. For instance, if there is something I want to tell a friend, and I know we are going to hang out tomorrow, I pretend I'm having the conversation with him/her. When my "friend" talks, the response comes from inside my head. I envision this friend, and I envision them responding to me.

    It's weird, I know.

    I also only do this in private. In public, sometimes I catch myself talking to myself, but I can shut it off. For instance, I am in a parking lot parking my car, talking to myself, as soon as I open the door, the conversation is over (unless I decide to have it between me and my friend inside my head).

    Much to the chagrin of my friends (reality this time), before they are done talking, I've already decided how I'm going to respond, and I pretty much know they are done with their thought, and however it ends is probably unimportant to what they said. This drives them crazy, I know, and it's awful of me, I know, but I hate when people talk for too long. Problem is, I expect them to be fully focused on me when I'm speaking.

    My mom has told me pretty often in the past "my goodness, if I had to analyze every little thing like you, I'd drive myself crazy." She's an ISFP.

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    Also, I started a blog. Hope this helps.


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    Why did you post this in the NT forum, don't you think you're thumbing the scales a bit? I think you have weak Ti, your reasoning is all over the place, you lack focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Why did you post this in the NT forum, don't you think you're thumbing the scales a bit? I think you have weak Ti, your reasoning is all over the place, you lack focus.
    Is it though?

    It's a bit scatter-brained, but I think the point is pretty obvious.

    Do you this I'm an ISFJ, INFJ, ENFJ, or ESFJ then?

    Or do you think I use more Te than Ti?

    Admittedly, I posted in INTJ because I thought I was either INTJ or INTP, but I've heard VERY good cases for INFJ and even ESTP. My friends think I'm an ESTJ or ESFJ, but I really doubt I'm a Sensor. I think they are biased and want to play devil's advocate.

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    Why not a sensor? If you use your 3rd and 4th functions a lot, you spend more time doing things your type isn't typically known for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Why not a sensor? If you use your 3rd and 4th functions a lot, you spend more time doing things your type isn't typically known for.
    I live in a Sensor dominated household. My dad is an ISTJ, and he and I ALWAYS argue. Arguments usually go like this:

    Him: In my experience... so that means it's always going to be like....
    Me: What?

    Of course, that's a gross oversimplification.

    Do you think I'm a Sensor?

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    Well SJs maybe are more likely to make arguments from experience, so I'll try to avoid that, though experience does drive a lot of what I'm writing here.

    I think you're an extraverted sensor of some kind.

    Extraversion because you seem to have an outward focus in your writing and in your interaction here. Your writing is very much targeted at the reader, with how you include all of those side notes and external references. You pegged yourself as an introvert, but an extravert can be driven "inward" or "underground" and that might be the case with you.

    Sensing because theory just seems disappointing to you. In your writing, you aren't really satisfied with theoretical answers:
    Then, of course you have your smart-asses that'll answer "when dopamine...
    ...some people will answer something along the lines of "it's when you feel a strong connection between another person or thing...." yadda yadda yadda...
    You also seem to have read about a few philosophers, but you seem more interested in the application of those philosophies, like the ideas they came up with are a tool for you to understand the world better. I think this is a sensory approach to philosophy because it's more "hands on."

    All in all I think you just seem like a practical guy that can use philosophy as a guide and you don't get caught up in the theory because you want answers. You keep prodding me for what I think you are, and you want it right now, skip the theory just tell me.

    It is possible that searching for this mystical side of reality is a sign of having introverted intuition as a 4th function.

    My guess is ESTP for your type
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Well SJs maybe are more likely to make arguments from experience, so I'll try to avoid that, though experience does drive a lot of what I'm writing here.

    I think you're an extraverted sensor of some kind.

    Extraversion because you seem to have an outward focus in your writing and in your interaction here. Your writing is very much targeted at the reader, with how you include all of those side notes and external references. You pegged yourself as an introvert, but an extravert can be driven "inward" or "underground" and that might be the case with you.

    Sensing because theory just seems disappointing to you. In your writing, you aren't really satisfied with theoretical answers:


    You also seem to have read about a few philosophers, but you seem more interested in the application of those philosophies, like the ideas they came up with are a tool for you to understand the world better. I think this is a sensory approach to philosophy because it's more "hands on."

    All in all I think you just seem like a practical guy that can use philosophy as a guide and you don't get caught up in the theory because you want answers. You keep prodding me for what I think you are, and you want it right now, skip the theory just tell me.

    It is possible that searching for this mystical side of reality is a sign of having introverted intuition as a 4th function.

    My guess is ESTP for your type
    Ah... I just saw your type.

    Those aren't theories you've mentioned. One is a straight fact, and the other is just an example of a poor definition (point to chair, ask someone to define it, they'll say "you sit on it." Not a good answer).

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you are very confused. I think my entire writing style is theoretical. You are mistaking theoretical or practical.

    Or am I?

    Also, using philosophy to back your own theories is, as I understand it, INCREDIBLY Ni.

    Don't take this as an attack, it's a legitimate question: are you sure you have an understanding of cognitive functions? Because either you or I don't.

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