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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    I'm not saying it isn't rational, just that it is fundamentally absent logic thanks to Fi, which deals explicitly in arbitrary binary yes/no value judgement affirmations that are completely subjective, based on feels, and have no place in the scientific method. Ti makes similar binary decisions which are also subjective, but they are based on isomorphisms: whether or not one cataloged thing is like another cataloged thing. The error there can be in cataloging the wrong thing, but the process is logically sound.
    Fi is logical.

    Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

    It's simply not the version of logic you use.
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    Why do INTJs hate people :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Fi is logical.

    Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

    It's simply not the version of logic you use.
    Stubborn ass strict Fi validity...lmao its all good. Its part of what makes us individuals. It's for better and for worse. I tell my GF..."stop thinking" or "stop feeling" with a mixture of seriousness. One of its causing issues right now, lots of other areas it helps with.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by geedoenfj View Post
    Why do INTJs hate people :p
    Did you figure it out, fellow ENFJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Fi is logical.

    Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

    It's simply not the version of logic you use.
    "Validity" being the key term. In the context of validating their own feelings, sure there is logic present for that, but in using it as a cornerstone for attempting external Te validity it's simply incompatible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protege View Post
    Did you figure it out, fellow ENFJ?
    I figure out the answers whenever I turn the question the other way around [emoji6]
    yes I think I figured it out fellow .. @Protege
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    Quote Originally Posted by geedoenfj View Post
    I figure out the answers whenever I turn the question the other way around [emoji6]
    yes I think I figured it out fellow .. @Protege
    I just force them to love me.... using Fe....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protege View Post
    I just force them to love me.... using Fe....
    Everyone loves Fes that's for sure[emoji4]
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    "Validity" being the key term. In the context of validating their own feelings, sure there is logic present for that, but in using it as a cornerstone for attempting external Te validity it's simply incompatible.
    No, Fi is not about validating feelings, that's not the system. Let's take this discussion elsewhere since it's a derail from the INTJ hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    I have seen you write the bolded part many times, but I have yet to see anything to justify this pretty bold assertion. I am not trying to argue it is not true. I would love to understand this idea better as I don't feel it.

    Seeing long term ramifications is something Ni does well. I am not saying that Ji can't do this.....

    Looking just at the other Ji type than yours, Ti doms and auxs don't seem to see ramifications of their logic very well, though they have laser focus logic. They often seem to be unaware of the long term consequences of their short term truths and so win battles and lose wars.
    It's more about a battle of wills. Je is generally the immediate victor over Ji since it will go to greater lengths to secure victory and Pe cares a lot less; Je has more of a sense of security to lose. As far as seeing outcomes, I can point to any number of instances where my predictions have come true. There was a decision made at one of our previous churches (by Pi doms & auxs) that I predicted would result in a split in the church itself. 2 years later I was proven correct and had no hand in making it happen since we didn't attend there anymore. Even on this forum - I've predicted when and why people would leave in reaction to certain decisions, I predicted 3 years ago that the new rules wouldn't lead to a greater sense of community and less hostility; idk, what else do you want? What rubs me is that Pi doms (in particular) often think they've got the lock on predictive ability - Pi has a band of applicability that's not comprehensively global in nature. It's about a string of Je decisions eked out in the immediate that shape a Pi outcome. Pi - Je / Je - Pi has more will. It does better with momentum. But it's not a guarantee, since Je is not as long-lensed.

    I know I suck at seeing how to put puzzle pieces into place for myself in order to lead me to an outcome I desire - partly because I have trouble defining what outcome I want in the first place and partly because I can see so many variables along the way that could derail me, so I find it near impossible to make a choice. But what I can do is hear what people have decided and know what outcome is most probable from that point forward. Like, in a "No, that's going to be a bad idea" kind of way.
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
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    When people see some things as good,
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    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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