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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny View Post
    I agree with this. I find myself getting along very well with INTJ and ISTJ for this reason. Some of the INTJs that I met in real life are the nicest people ever.

    Like I have an INTJ classmate of mine (she self-typed herself as INTJ, and I agree with her self-typing, her thinking style and everything is so similar to Hilary Clinton, whom I believed is an INTJ as well) who is the most selfless person I ever met in my life. She is not very verbal and she doesn't express her feelings much, but she would often show her care and concern for people through practical actions. And true to her INTJ label, she is every teacher's pet because she would always score top in class in every exam and assignments, but at the same time, she is so humble, she doesn't look down on people who are struggling in their studies, but instead, she would go around the entire class and offer her help. Whenever she sees me feeling down, she will start dropping some words of wisdom and give me some advice about life. She is very deep, very wise, very intelligent, very caring. Although INTJs often appear blunt and asshole on the surface, but their tertiary Fi can make them very kind and caring at times. But of course, this is not visible on the surface because it's hidden deep deep beneath their tough exterior. It would take a very perceptive person to notice their soft warm gooey side that they keep hidden from the entire world.
    If anyone can either
    a) perceive the gooey center
    or
    b) effectively draw it out

    it'd be an xNFx ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Remember the part where I said you need to go look it up yourself? If you had looked it up yourself, you would have read "Male" on my profile page. It's one of those pesky things called "facts" that you keep on talking about but never actually employ in your arguments. (Which is in itself ironic, as I am not arguing with you, but illustrating perspectives of what truth really looks like.)

    I'm sure there's an INTP/INTJ perspective dispute going on, here, as you suggest, but that doesn't change my overall point about your statements. You're worried about whether something is "true" or not, and assert that "logic" would resolve all of these perceived difficulties. It is possible - and extremely common - to have all the facts, to have them all be true, and still be no closer to resolving a real life problem than if you had no facts at all. You are missing the forest (the overall truth and context) for the trees (individual facts).

    And let me be very clear, here. I am not trying to "prove" something to you. I am trying to show you something. I am pointing at where to look, and saying "go look for yourself". Go find those unseen things you mentioned, and then point them out to other people. Sitting on your butt talking about "facts" and $5 is only enough to get you a Starbuck's Latte, and not much else.
    I think you can get one of those new KFC value meals for $5 if your appetites lead you that way... (segue from 'sitting on your butt' you see ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    You can have trees without a forest. You can have a forest without trees.

    Confused. How does one have a forest without trees? (except, nitpick vernacular counterexample dragged in by the ear, 'the petrified forest' ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Women can still post dick pics. No way to verify exactly whose dick is being shown.


    I have a similar perspective.

    Did you *have* to mention that right after the forest and trees? Now somebody's going to start arguing over the definition of the word "wood" ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by grey_beard View Post
    Confused. How does one have a forest without trees? (except, nitpick vernacular counterexample dragged in by the ear, 'the petrified forest' ...)
    I was playing with words, of course.

    In this instance, the metaphor is along these lines: you can have a legitimate body of knowledge (a forest) that contains hardly anything resembling facts or logic (trees). The hubris that logicians have is that one requires logic and facts in order to have a body of knowledge: half of all human wisdom is thus invisible to them.

    Facts and logic are indeed quite useful, and extremely powerful. But they do not comprise everything we know about the world. See Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid: Douglas R. Hofstadter: 9780465026562: Amazon.com: Books for a good layman's treatise on the limits of logic and facts.
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.
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    I can't tell if this thread is derailed or not.

    To return to topic, I'll guess it's because young INTJs (and INFJs) have difficulty communicating their inner thoughts which could cause feelings of alienation. I'll also guess that young INTJs (unlike INFJs) initially lack the tact and interpersonal finesse to endear others to them either out of obliviousness or outright resentment of "playing that game". This might cause an ego defense loop where the INTJ rationalizes their rejections as "No one understands because I am something greater." or something like that which results in more insensitivity done by them and more insensitivity received. I imagine that it's through proper development and individuation of Te that INTJs start to see the value in "playing that game" every now and then. Coupled with (assumed) skill and competency, this kicks off a positive feedback loop. Result is a more chill, more mature, more respected INTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    I don't know many people who have problems with INTJs they know in the real world; as co workers or acquaintances they come off as fairly humble, hardworking, responsible individuals. It's only when you get through their external barriers and chat with them, a process easily facilitated by the internet, that you start to uncover the most bizarre Fi rooted prejudices and opinions which generally tend to boil down to "humanity is stupid and beneath me." Which is an odd piece of hubris considering their actual ability when it comes to practical matters. I think this hypocrisy of the ego is where most disdain for INTJs comes from; this sort of superiority complex, even though they're barely able to do something as simple as change a tire.
    I change the clutch on my car about every 2 years and that involves removing the transmission and transfer case, well I've nearly taken apart the entire car really. (and he probably meant spare tire, because it takes a big expensive tire mounting machine to change a tire on a rim, and you should have it balanced afterwards too, so yea unless you own a tire mounting machine I think most people and even some mechanics can't change their own tire.....).

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    Went to the doctor today. Found out I was born with too much awesomeness.
    Most common side effect: an overabundance of HATERS.
    Turns out I'm gonna survive.

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