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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Remember the part where I said you need to go look it up yourself? If you had looked it up yourself, you would have read "Male" on my profile page. It's one of those pesky things called "facts" that you keep on talking about but never actually employ in your arguments. (Which is in itself ironic, as I am not arguing with you, but illustrating perspectives of what truth really looks like.)
    I apologize. People have mistaken me for a woman on internet message boards before. It's never bothered me.

    I'm sure there's an INTP/INTJ perspective dispute going on, here, as you suggest, but that doesn't change my overall point about your statements. You're worried about whether something is "true" or not, and assert that "logic" would resolve all of these perceived difficulties. It is possible - and extremely common - to have all the facts, to have them all be true, and still be no closer to resolving a real life problem than if you had no facts at all. You are missing the forest (the overall truth and context) for the trees (individual facts).
    Logic can provide flexibility and can also point out people who are being dishonest.

    And let me be very clear, here. I am not trying to "prove" something to you. I am trying to show you something. I am pointing at where to look, and saying "go look for yourself". Go find those unseen things you mentioned, and then point them out to other people. Sitting on your butt talking about "facts" and $5 is only enough to get you a Starbuck's Latte, and not much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Both the trees and the forest are real. Or neither are. Trees and forests are concepts created by our brains. Are they true, then, or are they false?
    You can have trees without a forest. You can have a forest without trees.

    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    You can have trees without a forest. You can have a forest without trees.

    Actually, you can't have a forest without trees. Thus, making the trees more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    You can have trees without a forest. You can have a forest without trees.

    Have you ever beat a dead horse? It's much better then beating live one
    Im out, its been fun

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    That icon is the equivalent of the white flag, as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Actually, you can't have a forest without trees. Thus, making the trees more important.
    Just the fact that there are trees, info about the trees is not that important.

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    That icon is the equivalent of the white flag, as far as I am concerned.
    I have always been curious why you gotta hit the horses crotch, that's just sick and sadistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poki View Post
    I have always been curious why you gotta hit the horses crotch, that's just sick and sadistic
    I have different definitions of sick and sadistic. I consider using someone else as a patsy or a potential scapegoat for imperialistic ambitions to be pretty sick and sadistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Actually, you can't have a forest without trees. Thus, making the trees more important.
    I thought you quoted a famous INTP as saying that imagination is more important than knowledge, yet you cannot imagine a forest without trees?!

    So which is more important, the imagination that can conceive of a forest without trees, or your knowledge that a forest MUST have trees?
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I thought you quoted a famous INTP as saying that imagination is more important than knowledge, yet you cannot imagine a forest without trees?!

    So which is more important, the imagination that can conceive of a forest without trees, or your knowledge that a forest MUST have trees?
    Logic dictates that a forest is composed of trees. Forest is defined as a collection of trees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Logic dictates that a forest is composed of trees.
    Logic isn't very imaginative, is it?

    Imagine an alien planet circling a distant sun, whose land masses have things that one could reasonably call forests, huge colonies of stationary living entities, but there is no way in hell that you could call those entities "trees", as they lack leaves and wood and chlorophyll, and pretty much anything that suggests that they might be trees, except they're part of something that would very much appear to be a forest.
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.

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