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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    That is hard to do, because they are always working together. It is almost like trying to pick apart the ingredients of a cake. Noticing that your friend has told a certain story before requires you to make a comparison. Was it really the same, or were there any differences? Are these significant enough to keep you from considering the story the same? All of this involves judgement. When it seems that perception is getting carried away, it is less the fault of the perceiving function as sloppy or erroneous application of the judgement function. Our judgement refuses to consider all available information, or weights it inappropriately, or evaluates it using the wrong standards. The antidote to Ni conspiracy theories, for instance, is objective analysis by Te.
    Ok, so then I guess I am not understanding something.

    Quick version: My idea about type pretty much rests on the idea that Step 1. someone grows up and incorporates their dominant function into thier life. Then Step 2. to even this dominant function out they should integrate thier auxillary.

    And of course there's step 3 & 4 that continue, but a lot of people struggle at step 2 and never get to the other steps.

    A lot of people meaning extraverts.

    intorverts have an advantage because they're forced to use thier auxillary in the extraverted world that we live in.

    So this quick Te judgement is relating to ENTJ's...

    Not INTJ's in my opinion.

    I would think that an introverts probelm would come from using their dominant function too much as well though just like the rest of us, right? (if not, then what?)

    That being said...

    I think that most INTJ's use their auxillary pretty well....

    So I guess what I am still not understanding is why people hate INTJ's...lol

    It either should be from them not integrating thier auxillary...or them not accepting or integrating their inferior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    That being said...

    I think that most INTJ's use their auxillary pretty well....

    So I guess what I am still not understanding is why people hate INTJ's...lol

    It either should be from them not integrating thier auxillary...or them not accepting or integrating their inferior.
    My function explanation wasn't meant to answer the highlighted. To take a stab at doing so based on the above: most INTJs do use aux Te rather well, but other people often don't appreciate its being applied to them, however correctly, justifiably, or productively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    My function explanation wasn't meant to answer the highlighted. To take a stab at doing so based on the above: most INTJs do use aux Te rather well, but other people often don't appreciate its being applied to them, however correctly, justifiably, or productively.
    Yea, I am trying to link two things together. And in doing that jumping all over. I am sorry for that.

    I just think the idea of someone making a hasty judgement...should not be attributed to INTJ's.

    I would think that hasty judgement is usually made by an ENTJ.

    Also I would think that an INTJ wouldn't even show their judgements unless provoked. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Yea, I am trying to link two things together. And in doing that jumping all over. I am sorry for that.

    I just think the idea of someone making a hasty judgement...should not be attributed to INTJ's.

    I would think that hasty judgement is usually made by an ENTJ.

    Also I would think that an INTJ wouldn't even show their judgements unless provoked. Right?
    To generalize perhaps too much, we tend not to make hasty judgements. I do think we keep them to ourselves unless we see something to be gained by expressing them. That being said, I think we see the need to express them more often than others would like. We will do so if the object of judgement is negatively affecting us, but we also often do it out of an honest desire to help. We think we see a better way for someone to do something, or an avoidable mistake they are about to make. People don't always appreciate the "help".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    To generalize perhaps too much, we tend not to make hasty judgements. I do think we keep them to ourselves unless we see something to be gained by expressing them. That being said, I think we see the need to express them more often than others would like. We will do so if the object of judgement is negatively affecting us, but we also often do it out of an honest desire to help. We think we see a better way for someone to do something, or an avoidable mistake they are about to make. People don't always appreciate the "help".

    Yea that's what I thought.

    I guess I just don't find that a good enough reason to think someone's narcissitic. Because if they're right...they're right.

    And I wouldn't think that INTJ's were giving unsolicited advice... Why would an introvert waste their time like that.

    I guess maybe what a problem could be is that they don't explain thier Ni well enough. Meaning if they said "This is the wrong way to do it, there's a better way" to someone.

    I could see that someone taking that as an attack. And then they're not going to consider if the INTJ is going to provide the more efficient way of doing it or not.

    I think then I could see why people could initially see them as narcissitic in a general sense.

    ***

    Either way, it doesn't explain @superunknown 's POV about that stormfront website or why the stereotypical INTJ is portrayed as believing in conspiricy theories.

    I can understand why an ENTJ would fit that stereotype...but not an INTJ

    Cause I think those opinions are usually based off of not getting enough data before making hasty judgements combined with inf. Fi <-- That sounds like excessive use of Te and not enough use of a perception function....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    To generalize perhaps too much, we tend not to make hasty judgements. I do think we keep them to ourselves unless we see something to be gained by expressing them. That being said, I think we see the need to express them more often than others would like. We will do so if the object of judgement is negatively affecting us, but we also often do it out of an honest desire to help. We think we see a better way for someone to do something, or an avoidable mistake they are about to make. People don't always appreciate the "help".

    Yea that's what I thought.

    I guess I just don't find that a good enough reason to think someone's narcissitic. Because if they're right...they're right.

    And I wouldn't think that INTJ's were giving unsolicited advice... Why would an introvert waste their time like that.

    I guess maybe what a problem could be is that they don't explain thier Ni well enough. Meaning if they said "This is the wrong way to do it, there's a better way" to someone.

    I could see that someone taking that as an attack. And then they're not going to consider if the INTJ is going to provide the more efficient way of doing it or not.

    I think then I could see why people could initially see them as narcissitic in a general sense.

    ***

    Either way, it doesn't explain @superunknown 's POV about that stormfront website or why the stereotypical INTJ is portrayed as believing in conspiricy theories.

    I can understand why an ENTJ would fit that stereotype...but not an INTJ

    Cause I think those opinions are usually based off of not getting enough data before making hasty judgements combined with inf. Fi <-- That sounds like excessive use of Te and not enough use of a perception function....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You don't see me do it here for the reason I explained above:
    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    That request only comes into play when a decision needs to be made, and we don't have the time or resources to gather the evidence it would take to provide an ironclad justification.
    well yes, but isn't that sort of innate to those circumstances regardless of function or personality type? if you don't have the time to do something then there is no choice involved in not taking that time... it's like, not drinking coffee when your out of coffee, it doesn't tell me anything about your attitude towards coffee, it just tells me that... your out of coffee.

    i'll also add that in such situations, i am probably a lot worst on expecting people to follow on ideas and notions without justifications, because while you describe doin it reactively to the situations, if i am honest with myself i think i have to admit that looking at my life in a wide lense, i am more likely to do it proactively and create situations of urgency in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    It's supes who wants everyone else to prove the negative, that INTJs aren't Nazi-loving conspiracy junkies. We may be looking at some kind of Buddhist Adolph on a recruitment drive. Presumably the actual Nazi-loving conspiracists will be outing themselves by PM and rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    well yes, but isn't that sort of innate to those circumstances regardless of function or personality type? if you don't have the time to do something then there is no choice involved in not taking that time... it's like, not drinking coffee when your out of coffee, it doesn't tell me anything about your attitude towards coffee, it just tells me that... your out of coffee.

    i'll also add that in such situations, i am probably a lot worst on expecting people to follow on ideas and notions without justifications, because while you describe doin it reactively to the situations, if i am honest with myself i think i have to admit that looking at my life in a wide lense, i am more likely to do it proactively and create situations of urgency in the first place.
    Having to react to situations where there isn't time for further fact-gathering certainly happens to all types. I encounter all sorts of reactions from other types, though, that aren't what I usually do. There are people who will keep trying to gather information, almost not admitting that there is no time. Others will try to figure out how to defer the decision - often not possible. Others will resort to some existing procedure, often not suitable. Others will try to pull some decision out of a hat. This last on the surface might look no different from what I do; the difference is that I have a much higher certainty that my solution will work. I will therefore tell all of them: just trust me on this -- it will work. I do react to non-urgent situations this way, too, but will usually take the time to justify my approach to others when there is time, so they feel more confidence in it, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Having to react to situations where there isn't time for further fact-gathering certainly happens to all types. I encounter all sorts of reactions from other types, though, that aren't what I usually do. There are people who will keep trying to gather information, almost not admitting that there is no time. Others will try to figure out how to defer the decision - often not possible. Others will resort to some existing procedure, often not suitable. Others will try to pull some decision out of a hat. This last on the surface might look no different from what I do; the difference is that I have a much higher certainty that my solution will work. I will therefore tell all of them: just trust me on this -- it will work. I do react to non-urgent situations this way, too, but will usually take the time to justify my approach to others when there is time, so they feel more confidence in it, too.
    This sounds the most like me. So I can see how a more intuitive approach might have it's advantages.

    The tricky thing is that some people will tell me to trust them on something, and they actually can't be trusted, but then, they leave me holding the bag with the justification that "well, you didn't have to listen to me. You were free to make a choice." That kind of thing is annoying, and is the reason why I have a hard time innately trusting people in those kinds of situations. I'm not sure what specific type I would associate with that, other than the fact that I find that behavior annoying.
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