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    er... distribution.

    I remember as a primary school kid in the 1980s hearing that it's true now. I've been to Africa and like fuck do people starve there. Granted few are obese but most don't have lack of food.

    Since a third of our land is for arable use, how the fuck can we starve? A third!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    And by and large, the happenstance circumstances of our birth (time, place) has a lot to do with the fact that we can, by and large, feed ourselves and our offspring. Take a person who cannot on the other side of the world- give them our circumstances instead, and they too would be in the same shoes as us. So we had a good card dealt to us is all. And they--- did not.
    True as far as feeding themselves go. But they bear the weight for their reproductive choices. They deal that bad hand to their children themselves (as is quite likely their parents dealt it to them).

    Now I realize you can't just mandate people "act intelligently" regarding reproductive choice. But feeding their starving offspring encourages bad behavior and compounds the problem.

    Despite appearances, I am not advocating a world devoid of social assistance. OTOH, any solution that amount to "just send them food" is also a poor approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SensEye View Post
    True as far as feeding themselves go. But they bear the weight for their reproductive choices. They deal that bad hand to their children themselves (as is quite likely their parents dealt it to them).

    Now I realize you can't just mandate people "act intelligently" regarding reproductive choice. But feeding their starving offspring encourages bad behavior and compounds the problem.

    Despite appearances, I am not advocating a world devoid of social assistance. OTOH, any solution that amount to "just send them food" is also a poor approach.
    Planned Parenthood is just not a subject in some cultures around the world. Education or even access to birth control is scarce. When you have nothing- at least you have sex. It's not as easy as saying they should haven't kids. I'm a spiritual person. I believe that every birth is mandated by God. So each (albiet starving) child is meant to be born. I really think we are each on a test / journey. They on theirs. We on ours. I do think we are being tested as to what we will do - if anything - to help those less fortunate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    In the last twenty years hundreds of millions have moved out of poverty.

    And in the last fifty years violence is reducing and keeps reducing throughout the world.

    And in the last thirty years the green revolution has fed billions of people.

    Globalization is reducing world hunger. And is only likely to be stopped by general warfare, probably starting with the USA and China.
    This was actually going to be really close to my answer, minus the global warfare part. We haven't solved it, and perhaps we never will 100%, but we've made tremendous progress.

    My biggest concern is the separation of wealth between the very top with the very bottom. It's only increasing, and there's a threshold where bad things happen. If we cross that threshold, it may lead to changes that will undo some of the progress the world has made.

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    Most people don't care about starving people. That is why there are infomercials begging people to send money. I haven't been to Africa or India, therefore I don't know if they are starving. The infomercials seem incredibly hyperbolic and why aren't we concerned with the people who are starving right down the street? Everyone wants to act like they need to send money to Africa and brag about it and tell the whole world. Well, what about your neighbor that just lost his job and got evicted?

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    One of the main problems of humanity, and the reason of many bad things in the world is that people unite in the pack and follow the leader when they need to keep to themselves, and keep to themselves when they need to unite together in order to reach a common goal. They' re just too greedy to sacrafice their own minor interests, and too dumb to follow the leader who takes them to a devastating future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaine View Post
    One of the main problems of humanity, and the reason of many bad things in the world is that people unite in the pack and follow the leader when they need to keep to themselves, and keep to themselves when they need to unite together in order to reach a common goal. They' re just too greedy to sacrafice their own minor interests, and too dumb to follow the leader who takes them to a devastating future.
    In the last 20 years more than 200 million Chinese have moved out of poverty into prosperity.

    They did this by following a Scotsman, John Smith, and his a book, The Wealth of Nations published in 1776.

    In The Wealth of Nations we learn that private greed leads to public prosperity under regulated and competitive capitalism.

    We know how to create prosperity and many hundreds of millions are doing it and moving out of poverty.

    So the problems the world is facing today are the problems of prosperity, such as pollution, and inequality of income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    In the last 20 years more than 200 million Chinese have moved out of poverty into prosperity.

    They did this by following a Scotsman, John Smith, and his a book, The Wealth of Nations published in 1776.

    In The Wealth of Nations we learn that private greed leads to public prosperity under regulated and competitive capitalism.

    We know how to create prosperity and many hundreds of millions are doing it and moving out of poverty.

    So the problems the world is facing today are the problems of prosperity, such as pollution, and inequality of income.
    But they still do have hunger, don' t they? Besides, I wasn' t talking about prosperity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaine View Post
    But they still do have hunger, don' t they? Besides, I wasn' t talking about prosperity.
    It seems to me you don't recognise we are succeeding in removing hunger and replacing it with prosperity.

    It seems to me you have a sentimental attachment to hunger and frankly you don't care how to replace hunger with prosperity.

    Luckily, we do.

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