User Tag List

First 45678 Last

Results 51 to 60 of 109

  1. #51
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,653

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CheshireCat View Post
    As hitler put it in mein Kampf

    'What leads one man to starvation trains another for hard work."


    Hitler? Seriously?

    What trains you for having soviet tanks roll over your country?

  2. #52
    Member CheshireCat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    GOO
    Enneagram
    954
    Posts
    83

    Default

    @Lark

    Sure, seriously. Why not?

    I'd say the cultivation and glorification of a passive mankind.
    "The unconscious mind should be called the super-conconsious mind."

  3. #53
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,653

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CheshireCat View Post
    @Lark

    Sure, seriously. Why not?

    I'd say the cultivation and glorification of a passive mankind.
    Because judged by his own principles or any "Great man" theory of history or perspective for that matter the guy was a total and utter failure, judging by the standards of humanity he was a total failure and a raving lunatic to boot. Last thing I'd want to be associated with but hey, knock yourself out.

    I dont understand what you mean about cultivation and glorification of a passive mankind.

  4. #54
    Nips away your dignity Fluffywolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    9 sp/sx
    Posts
    9,422

    Default

    Lack of infra structure means some places in the world are left behind.

    A good but extreme example is north korea. Not self-sufficient and no infra structure to supply demands.

    Next to that its also often the people themselves. Ive seen a documentary about a guy trying to set up farms in africa and try to get africans to run it. But he can only get people to work it if he offers money, and everytime an african gets a paycheck, they wont show up again until after the money's gone. It's quite hilarious.
    ~Self-depricating Megalomaniacal Superwolf

  5. #55
    Member CheshireCat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    GOO
    Enneagram
    954
    Posts
    83

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Because judged by his own principles or any "Great man" theory of history or perspective for that matter the guy was a total and utter failure, judging by the standards of humanity he was a total failure and a raving lunatic to boot. Last thing I'd want to be associated with but hey, knock yourself out.

    I dont understand what you mean about cultivation and glorification of a passive mankind.

    I see. He is indeed an unsavory person with a disturbing contempt for mankind. Though, I do recognize there is some legitimate genius to his mind. Why, he had the whole of the German army pledge allegiance to him personally, and by so doing enabled any nay sayer to be charged and persecuted for high treason. Tis a mere example, though there were plenty of illustrations that came to mind.

    Have you seen the huge elephant in the living room?- that soulless, corporate entity seeking to convert the entire world into it's control grid? It's been a long time in the making.

    If Adolf Hitler can read a book published by the American Kennel Club (or whoever wrote it) on the ethics of euthanasia, then commend the author personally- only to incorporate the criteria of that book into his own agenda…. Then I'd say that the powers that be can look at any power-hungry-egotist and take notes on his own brand of insanity, and utilize it to their own end.

    The shadow is a pretty common term thrown around in psychology- " an unconscious aspect of the personality which the conscious ego does not identify in itself."
    In the book "The undiscovered Self" Carls Jung Wrote “…the existence of a dictator allows us to point the finger away from ourselves and at the shadow.”

    The most eye-opening book I have ever read, hands down, was Political Poenreolgy by the polish psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski, and its only proper to close with his words, “Nothing poisons the human soul and deprives us of our capacity to understand reality more objectively than this very obedience to that common human tendency to take a moralistic view of human behavior.”
    "The unconscious mind should be called the super-conconsious mind."

  6. #56
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,653

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Lack of infra structure means some places in the world are left behind.

    A good but extreme example is north korea. Not self-sufficient and no infra structure to supply demands.

    Next to that its also often the people themselves. Ive seen a documentary about a guy trying to set up farms in africa and try to get africans to run it. But he can only get people to work it if he offers money, and everytime an african gets a paycheck, they wont show up again until after the money's gone. It's quite hilarious.
    I've seen that too, there's a reason that the stale socialism of the land seizures in places like Mugabe's country resulted in famine, the land was often seized and farmers expelled but afterwards no was worked the farms or had the expertise necessary to get anything done.

    I heard similar talk about Obama's election, about how a lot of the people who got bitter and said he "wasnt the change they voted for" didnt know what change they wanted and were shocked when they had still had to go to work.

    There were great books written by the leader of the socialist party who transformed and modernised Jamaica, Michael someone, cant recall his second name right now, but he wrote about similar things. Wanting to introduce a lot of participatory democracy into the workplace and finding that people werent up to it or werent interested in it.

    Although he thought it was a legacy of colonialism and deliberate underdevelopment of certain peoples and sections of society I'm not sure that's the whole of it.

  7. #57
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,653

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CheshireCat View Post
    I see. He is indeed an unsavory person with a disturbing contempt for mankind. Though, I do recognize there is some legitimate genius to his mind. Why, he had the whole of the German army pledge allegiance to him personally, and by so doing enabled any nay sayer to be charged and persecuted for high treason. Tis a mere example, though there were plenty of illustrations that came to mind.

    Have you seen the huge elephant in the living room?- that soulless, corporate entity seeking to convert the entire world into it's control grid? It's been a long time in the making.

    If Adolf Hitler can read a book published by the American Kennel Club (or whoever wrote it) on the ethics of euthanasia, then commend the author personally- only to incorporate the criteria of that book into his own agenda…. Then I'd say that the powers that be can look at any power-hungry-egotist and take notes on his own brand of insanity, and utilize it to their own end.

    The shadow is a pretty common term thrown around in psychology- " an unconscious aspect of the personality which the conscious ego does not identify in itself."
    In the book "The undiscovered Self" Carls Jung Wrote “…the existence of a dictator allows us to point the finger away from ourselves and at the shadow.”

    The most eye-opening book I have ever read, hands down, was Political Poenreolgy by the polish psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski, and its only proper to close with his words, “Nothing poisons the human soul and deprives us of our capacity to understand reality more objectively than this very obedience to that common human tendency to take a moralistic view of human behavior.”
    Hitler was no genius, he was an eejit, a common or garden eejit, with extraordinary power and it was given to him by money men and others. A whole dumb mythology has grown up around him since.

    If you want to know the truth about how nazism grew up in Germany you should read The Fear of Freedom by Erich Fromm, AKA Escape From Freedom.

    What is a moralistic view of human behaviour? That quotation could mean anything and I believe you probably have imported your own perspective, probably a pretty personal one for personal reasons, into it, which in the process will allow it to become a rationalisation for something like valourising Hitler.

  8. #58
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    13,993

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Hitler was no genius, he was an eejit, a common or garden eejit, with extraordinary power and it was given to him by money men and others. A whole dumb mythology has grown up around him since.

    If you want to know the truth about how nazism grew up in Germany you should read The Fear of Freedom by Erich Fromm, AKA Escape From Freedom.

    What is a moralistic view of human behaviour? That quotation could mean anything and I believe you probably have imported your own perspective, probably a pretty personal one for personal reasons, into it, which in the process will allow it to become a rationalisation for something like valourising Hitler.
    The truth about Hitler probably lies somewhere in the middle of these extremes. For example, he was a "raving lunatic" when giving speeches, but it was only a manipulative ploy based on his estimate on what he thought would appeal to his audience. That's why he would practice his speeches and mannerisms in a mirror.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  9. #59
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,653

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The truth about Hitler probably lies somewhere in the middle of these extremes. For example, he was a "raving lunatic" when giving speeches, but it was only a manipulative ploy based on his estimate on what he thought would appeal to his audience. That's why he would practice his speeches and mannerisms in a mirror.
    Like anyone, Hitler's on a par with some motivational speaker, its just that it was novel back then. When fascism arrives again it wont look like it did last time, wont have those trappings or hallmarks because people would recognise it and oppose it.

    Nope, when fascism arrives again it will look a lot different, probably look like its all good things, the same as it did before.

  10. #60
    Member CheshireCat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    GOO
    Enneagram
    954
    Posts
    83

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Hitler was no genius, he was an eejit, a common or garden eejit, with extraordinary power and it was given to him by money men and others. A whole dumb mythology has grown up around him since.

    If you want to know the truth about how nazism grew up in Germany you should read The Fear of Freedom by Erich Fromm, AKA Escape From Freedom.

    What is a moralistic view of human behaviour? That quotation could mean anything and I believe you probably have imported your own perspective, probably a pretty personal one for personal reasons, into it, which in the process will allow it to become a rationalisation for something like valourising Hitler.
    The only thing he ever wrote that ever struck a cord with me was that- man never conquered natured in any affair, he just acquired the knowledge of its mechanisms to rise to being in a position of enslaving others who lacked that knowledge. Which to me meant, man is not superior to the beasts that he claims to have dominion over, which is a very spiritual insight. Don't misunderstand me, I am not valorizing him (that is a moralistic interpretation right there.) Though, I did read over that section in the book and I could see that I was being a little more farfetched that originally intended. So I shall say a more appropriate quote from that book would be (ad-libbing here) "If we could abstain from moral judgments, we could draw our attention to tracking the causative processes" Basically, if we are too caught up in "how could you do this!?", "you need to be punished", "shame on you",, we take time and energy away from paying attention to the tell-tail signs of history repeating itself. As it turns out, psychological pathology plays a huge role in wide-scale corruption, and people fail to distinguish moral evil from biological evil (say, someone who has no conscience and is a psychopath).

    Though, something tells me instantaneously after reading the name "Hitler" in my post you pegged me for a heretic. With that preconception, there are a limited number of things that you will interpret from my posts- mostly ignorance. Who knows, I could just be really shitty at communicating.

    My purpose for quoting "what leads one man to starvation trains another for handwork" was to illustrate the "Work or starve" Catch 22. It's like math, A global working class + Global fascism = Global genocide…. lol.
    Last edited by CheshireCat; 11-12-2013 at 11:08 AM.
    "The unconscious mind should be called the super-conconsious mind."

Similar Threads

  1. [Ne] Why haven't we solved world hunger?
    By AzulEyes in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10-20-2013, 04:02 PM
  2. [NT] Why I think that the world as we know it is doomed.
    By Virtual ghost in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 04-28-2010, 02:11 PM
  3. Why don't we all have the same avatars?
    By Nonsensical in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 12-29-2009, 12:10 AM
  4. WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FWIENDS?!?!
    By Costrin in forum The Fluff Zone
    Replies: 88
    Last Post: 08-04-2009, 07:35 PM
  5. "Why can't we just admit it?"
    By Brendan in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 07-02-2008, 06:04 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO