The other problem with the idea of maximising production is that our ideas of wealth and poverty are relative. Compared to the 19th century, most of us in the western world live like lords, with hot water on demand and electric lighting. The more we can produe, the more we consume, and the more we expect to be able to consume.
It's like the old predictions that one day we'd only have to work two or three days a week. I suspect that if we kept modern production methods, but were prepared to live like the victorians any way, that level of reduced labour would be enough to meet our needs. Yet here we are, manufacuring god knows how many times more than Adam Smith ever dreams of, and still the homeless are on the streets because those with the ability to take feel entitled to take so much more. And those that don't have the ability to take find themselves scratching at the leftovers, which have increased only a little.
10-19-2013, 07:53 AM #41Don't make whine out of sour grapes.
10-19-2013, 07:58 AM #42RivaGuest
Assuming this hasn't been said before; world hunger isn't something that is being tried to be solved by the powers who are capable of it.
Yes they would try to solve their own but wouldn't try to do so for the rest of the world.
The food market naturally has more income to it than energy; so why would they give it for free or for a lesser price?
It's all about money; sadly.
10-22-2013, 12:28 PM #43
As was stated in the book Siddhartha "The seeking impedes the finding".
There are many factors that contribute to this issue, but I'd say the element that propels the severity of the issue is greed. The wealthy prosper at the expense of the poor. How do you get the poor to support the wealthy? Well you back them into a corner and force them to choose between starvation or slavery- erm- work.
"...Under these circumstances, the only alternative left them for saving even their lives, or the lives of their families, was to yield up not only the crops they had gathered, and the lands they had cultivated, but themselves and their families also as slaves. Thenceforth their fate was, as slaves, to cultivate for others the lands they had before cultivated for themselves. Being driven constantly to their labor, wealth slowly increased; but all went into the hands of their tyrants."
http://lysanderspooner.org/node/59 Chapter 3 section two second paragraph.
Gradually overtime this system that was once fought against became a common place thing; A fact of life. You work, get a job, provide for your family, buy food from a store... Living off the land has become strange and alien to us- Though, that is inarguably the best approach to maintaining a wealth of being. Yea. Life is what it is and we don't often question why things are the way they are, when it all started, if it's to our benefit, or if their are consequences and what they are... etc.
"feeding the hungry" has actually played it's role into contributing to the existence of the "system" I speak of. Why? Because it pulls energy and resources out of the very system to create the illusion of solving a problem it ultimately perpetuates. I think of it like a hydra- cut off one head it grows two more. In regards to this thought I'll add:
“Legal plunder has two roots: One of them, as I have said before, is in human greed; the other is in false philanthropy.”
— Frederick Bastiat, http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G007
I guess it's only fair, if your advocate for a problem you advocate for a solution... That can be found in "the path to dignity and progress" within the law written by Frederick Bastiat.
10-22-2013, 12:31 PM #44It is a luxury to be understood - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire
A kind thought is the hope of the world - Anon
10-22-2013, 12:36 PM #45
I don't understand why people have such an issue with hunger. Go to the grocery store, ya dingus!
Forget the dead you've left; they will not follow you.
The vagabond who is rapping at your door, is standing in the clothes you once wore.
10-22-2013, 01:45 PM #46
This salient fact got drowned out in everybody's rush to link hands and sing Kumbaya.
10-22-2013, 02:39 PM #47
That is not to say that reproduction is not a factor, indeed reproduction when resources are scarce exasperates the problem. I am merely trying to draw attention to the chronological sequence of events.
Hunger has and will always be a constant, it is one of natures mechanisms for controlling population. But modern day hunger has reached megalomaniac proportions.
10-22-2013, 04:01 PM #48
Do this for a few decades and you end up with a whole mass of people who rely on food handouts to survive, ergo, a world hunger problem.
10-22-2013, 04:22 PM #49
11-06-2013, 03:41 PM #50
As hitler put it in mein Kampf
'What leads one man to starvation trains another for hard work.""The unconscious mind should be called the super-conconsious mind."
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