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    Most people simply don't have the time/money/influence to make more than a tiniest drop in the bucket. Those who do and care enough about world hunger to mobilize a new method of food distribution are few and far between.

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    I was thinking about the humanitarian aid to Somalia earlier. lol.



    I don't get it - on one hand, we can't play world police. On the other, the world needs policing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    Will post this in the NF forum too- but knowing we have the capacity as a planet and human species to END world hunger, and knowing that children die every day, and knowing we can forecast that more will die tomorrow, next month, next year etc- why don't we solve it?

    Is it greed?
    Is it apathy?
    Is is racism?
    Is it stupidity?

    Should "nature take it's course" and people should starve to level off the population?

    Or should we do something about it knowing that we can?
    1) We live in a world that doesn't believe in interdependance.

    2) Because the human species needs to firstly (in most all cases) figure out who is to blame.

    Once you do that then they will say...ok so it's their problem let them fix it...or it's our problem we will come fix it

    When we really could just all take responsibility for our own lives.

    I'm not trying to attack the victim here - meaning I don't necessarily thinks it's the hungry people's fault that they're hungry (due to life circumstances) but everyone can take a little responsibility for their own life. Also the people that aren't starving or aren't helping, don't understand that they need to take responsibility as well. Everyone's involved not just the obvious parties.


    3) Not everyone's sp-dom either, so other things are important to other people.
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    I know that's going to sound cold, but overpopulation would become a much bigger concern, and no onde wants that.

    Maybe forced sterilization could offset this side effect, but that solution is ethically very questionable, so no smart politician would go there.
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    (warning: link dump ahead)

    world hunger is tied hand in hand with world poverty - sending money for the starving to buy food locally works better then sending the actual food, it's more economical and stimulates local growth of food production, and the increasing availability of mobile devices allowing for electronic transactions in 3rd world countries (and the infrastructure to support it in rural areas) removes the delivery (and thus oil and refrigeration) costs entirely - which means a much larger percentage of what you pay for is actually getting there. so no, the problem isn't the lack of available food or it's distribution, but rather lacking the currency to access it.

    if you want to solve world hunger, you'd have to solve world poverty... and i have to tell you, it's not looking so good right now, but who knows, hans rosling might not be completely off target.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/world/...ery/index.html

    read this article a month ago, but this thread reminded me of it. I thought it was a cool article

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think that most of the famine and starvation problems which are referred to as "world hunger" are generally engineered or the natural consequences of crisis in law and order, its not "natural" and its not like an earthquake or volcano or tsunami or anything of that kind, there's been campaigns by development theorists and academics from the developing world or southern hemisphere and the developed or northern hemisphere to arrest and prosecute officials who have presided over famine and starvation in the same way that war crimes are prosecuted. However, given that the international community is pretty sluggish about human rights violations and war crimes when its blatantly obvious, ie Syria, Rwanda, Balkans, I doubt that its going to get into gear about famine and starvation.

    There are also food security policies which the US and EU use which are blocked to the African Union by global free trade agreements, usually tied to debt repayments to the world bank or IMF restructuring of economies, environmental legislation is used in the same manner too preventing some forms of industrialisation which has been tied to desertification, deforestation and climate change.

    Some of the proposals for changes in trade which would result in developing/southern hemisphere nations becoming the worlds agricultural producers are understandably being resisted by the developed world because of concerns about quality and food safety, if those regions are to be the agrarian sector then they need to cease being lawless or the shortage/starvation problems are just going to spread worldwide or perhaps poisoning and poor quality food resources is going to become endemic instead. There are also the problems, once experienced in nations like Ireland immortalised in the song Fields of Athenry, of producer nations producing cash crops for export in order to buy food resources and import them, so people starve amidst plenty, this is a risk with ethanol production for fuel, so nations could produce for fuel but have no domestic food stock of their own.

    Some of those problems would be eliminated by food security policies being permitted by trade organisations, the EU has produced so called wine lakes and meat mountains through subsidised farming, why not let the African Union do something similar? And each trade block, US, EU, AU could see to its own agri-fuel production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Most people simply don't have the time/money/influence to make more than a tiniest drop in the bucket. Those who do and care enough about world hunger to mobilize a new method of food distribution are few and far between.
    I think this is at the heart of my intentions of this post (not saying I don't want to hear all perspectives! Because I do.) But I have a problem with people thinking there isn't a problem. And I have a problem with greed. And apathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    Will post this in the NF forum too- but knowing we have the capacity as a planet and human species to END world hunger, and knowing that children die every day, and knowing we can forecast that more will die tomorrow, next month, next year etc- why don't we solve it?

    Is it greed?
    Is it apathy?
    Is is racism?
    Is it stupidity?

    Should "nature take it's course" and people should starve to level off the population?

    Or should we do something about it knowing that we can?
    I think the short answer is because it requires a level of co-operation the human races has never achieved. We're too divided, self interested and suspicious of each other. Sadly, the suspicions are often justified. Human's have a marked tendancy to do things that benefit themselves while damaging the collective. Benefits fraud is a simple example. A lot of hunger is caused because of food theft, People with guns come along and take the food from farmers, who then starve and become less productive, making the problem worse.
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    The problem is in ineffective processing of food. Europe and America throw away more food, than they eat. It's becuase of crazy "health" norms, like determined size of potatoes, that can go stores, throwing away all the package of fruits, when just one fruit is rotten, throwing away good foods from restaurant/bars. We extremly waste the food and take it for guaranteed. If we send to needy people all the good food we just throw away like nothing, we could feed half of this world.

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