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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    I thought the same thing...I am, and 4 other people, are 100% positive that he is an ISFP, E9.

    *shrugs* I don't get why he shuts down and blows up at the same time...but I'm pretty sure he's not healthy...I mean..his mom still does his laundry...

    I think he is nitpicky about emotions and sensations...I'm not allowed to talk to him about death, the excretion system, people that he doesn't like, I was never allowed to interrupt "the moment" in bed, etc...or he gets pissy or shuts down....or even both...shit like that seems more emotional than Ti I think.
    Could be Se/Fi, then. Se finds all those details, and Fi directs the finding toward areas of personal hurt or value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    If Fe works like a mirror then I can talk about the type of atomosphere I'd like to have with the Fe user.

    But with Fi... they feel the way they feel, because it's the way they feel...it's just fog to me.

    I think what @skylights had to say about the expectations of certian cues and rules was right.

    If you just abide by the "rules" you're good to go.

    The real problem comes in when you don't want to abide by the "rules".

    If that's the case...I would get a job where I didn't have to say "Hi" to anyone. But I have grown accustomed to the "rules." *shrugs*
    Yes, we can't help feeling the way we feel. We don't have to act on it, though. This is where Te comes in, and other functions. If I am any indication, Fi-users will follow the rules - up to a point. That point for me is where I feel I have to betray some core value to follow the rules. Then I balk. It is noteworthy that even when I decide to follow the rules anyway, in the interests of some greater goal as determined by Ni/Te, I feel almost dirty for doing it.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Could be Se/Fi, then. Se finds all those details, and Fi directs the finding toward areas of personal hurt or value.


    Yes, we can't help feeling the way we feel. We don't have to act on it, though. This is where Te comes in, and other functions. If I am any indication, Fi-users will follow the rules - up to a point. That point for me is where I feel I have to betray some core value to follow the rules. Then I balk. It is noteworthy that even when I decide to follow the rules anyway, in the interests of some greater goal as determined by Ni/Te, I feel almost dirty for doing it.
    Hmmm. I guess I know what you mean by feeling dirty.

    Almost like not being true to myself.

    I rarely feel that way though. I think I have tried to the best of my abilities to stop fighting internally with my inf Fi. If it were soley up to Te I would still be acting carelessly towards others. I used to have a "take no prisoners attitude" on most subjects. Now I only have that attitude only with a few.

    I guess I need examples. Do you have examples of when you feel like you're betraying your core values to follow the rules?

    I don't think Fe's rules differs to that extreme for me. At least not the ones I have to participate in to do my job effectively.

    Again I actually think that I have more problems with Fi in this department.

    My boss (ISFP) believes that we are supposed to call out people when they do something wrong. Mostly if it's not that big of a mistake. She's coming from it in an immature, vindictive "The world should work the way I want it to work" stance. So if someone is late the, supervisor (ENFJ) asks people "Why were you late?" in front of everybody at a shift meeting. Because he is told to do so by his boss.

    Or my boss will tell me to write down the most inept things as repercussions. I don't do it. I don't let myself get to the point that I feel dirty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redkix View Post
    How do you do it? I feel like I'm trying to communicate with aliens sometimes,
    What other obstacles have you experienced? And most importantly, have you found ways to deal with them?
    I've made peace with the fact that I probably won't have a meaningful connection with any other humans on this planet. That was a load off and I can now stop wanting to poke my eyeball with a fork trying to make conversation. I get by in the world by being very eccentric, flamboyantly and loudly so. That way, no-one tries to make a connection, nor do they expect me to be just like them. I am written off as 'weird'. Job done, fast efficient and effective for as long as they know me. I then focus on the things which are important to me and immerse myself in them.

    Life got good for me when I realised this. I am not like them, I can't fake being like them and nor do I want to. My niche is in doing my own thing so forget them and get on with it.

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    I have an even harder time with the fact that this culture only sees intuition in its most negative form, or at best as a sort of 'game'. I can't help but think other languages must have better words for describing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    I have an even harder time with the fact that this culture only sees intuition in its most negative form, or at best as a sort of 'game'. I can't help but think other languages must have better words for describing it.
    Yeah this is a good point. Even as someone who is probably a sensing type, I notice daily that anything too creative, inventive or 'clever' is dismissed as being naive and childish.

    Of course those aren't necessarily associated with intuition, but there is a correlation I think. But essentially the attitude that causes the most damage is the one where people believe everyone is the same, just with different influences and if only they got with the program and buckled down like everyone else, they would be happy.

    It's agonisingly obvious to me that this is like a collective projection of that same negative intuition you mentioned, even if we ignore MBTI here and any other personality theory, it only takes a small moment of observation to see the patterns throughout a society.

    People with inspiration are regularly trivialised as being infantile and immature in their thinking and ideas, it's a sad reality that most are only recognised long after they are dead and usually by people of a similar bent.

    What is the point of these theories if not to at least try to appreciate other ways of thinking and approaches to life?
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    I've made peace with the fact that I probably won't have a meaningful connection with any other humans on this planet. That was a load off and I can now stop wanting to poke my eyeball with a fork trying to make conversation. I get by in the world by being very eccentric, flamboyantly and loudly so. That way, no-one tries to make a connection, nor do they expect me to be just like them. I am written off as 'weird'. Job done, fast efficient and effective for as long as they know me. I then focus on the things which are important to me and immerse myself in them.

    Life got good for me when I realised this. I am not like them, I can't fake being like them and nor do I want to. My niche is in doing my own thing so forget them and get on with it.
    Geez

    I have probably not gotten to the same point because I've got some E7 in me somewhers. I think it just makes me internally want to sacrifice something for the better. However eventually I find that it's all in vain. And that I'm better off doing what I want in without compromise in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    I have an even harder time with the fact that this culture only sees intuition in its most negative form, or at best as a sort of 'game'. I can't help but think other languages must have better words for describing it.
    I find this quote to be very relevant "For thought is a bird of space, that in a cage of words may indeed unfold its wings but cannot fly."

    That's the best that I've ever seen intuition described.

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Yeah this is a good point. Even as someone who is probably a sensing type, I notice daily that anything too creative, inventive or 'clever' is dismissed as being naive and childish.

    Of course those aren't necessarily associated with intuition, but there is a correlation I think. But essentially the attitude that causes the most damage is the one where people believe everyone is the same, just with different influences and if only they got with the program and buckled down like everyone else, they would be happy.

    It's agonisingly obvious to me that this is like a collective projection of that same negative intuition you mentioned, even if we ignore MBTI here and any other personality theory, it only takes a small moment of observation to see the patterns throughout a society.

    People with inspiration are regularly trivialised as being infantile and immature in their thinking and ideas, it's a sad reality that most are only recognised long after they are dead and usually by people of a similar bent.

    What is the point of these theories if not to at least try to appreciate other ways of thinking and approaches to life?

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    *deletes post, flips table*

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    *deletes post, flips table*
    doth I detect rage, my good sir?

    When I have rage at work I pull out a piece of paper that I carry around. It has a rage face drawn on it, and I show it to the other person that also has rage at work. I have found that to be much more effective than table flipping

    What happened to your post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    doth I detect rage, my good sir?

    When I have rage at work I pull out a piece of paper that I carry around. It has a rage face drawn on it, and I show it to the other person that also has rage at work. I have found that to be much more effective than table flipping

    What happened to your post?
    Hahaha. It is unfortunate, then, that I am missing this guidance from my life.

    I can't remember. I am self-forgetting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Hahaha. It is unfortunate, then, that I am missing this guidance from my life.

    I can't remember. I am self-forgetting?
    Yes, it's most effective when you hold the rage face card and use the full on "grit your teeth smile" at the same time. ha ha sorta like this --->

    Ah yes, self-forgetting, one of the pleasures of being an E9 i suppose ha ha

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