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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.
    I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.
    Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I would give some examples, but i suspect they would be a wall of text. This book actually did a very good job of talking about the patterns of behavior seen by different types and the particular stresses seen by female vs males of each type in the workplace:

    http://www.amazon.com/Type-Talk-Work...rds=mbti+books
    I have read this, and don't remember that much about gender differences, but I no longer have access to a copy. Your original duplicate post mentioned something about the examples perhaps being offensive. Why is that? Were they based on speculation rather than factual observation? I was more interested in your own experiences in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.
    And some of us are better at identifying these assumptions, as well as more willing to question and reject them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    And some of us are better at identifying these assumptions, as well as more willing to question and reject them.
    Right. Like you say, identifying is a part of rejecting, instead of pretending they don't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    Life is about one upmanship and competing with boys? Someone forgot to forward me that memo... I thought life was about creating my own outcomes using my own intelligence and believing in my own abilities with no reference to gender at all.
    I got the memo, and shredded it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.
    So.... kicking ass quite literally then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I think you are correct-INTJs dont seem to compete as much as dominate others unintentionally through rigid implementation of thier particular vision or solution and leave no room for alternatives. I suspect they always feel they are being reasonable, and they sort of bully others into compliance unfortuantely.
    Funniest thing I've ever read. An INTJ couldn't bully a kitten into a cardboard box! You do realise most people's reaction to an INTJ rigidly asserting their vision, is to clear the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Of course it is, but we don't live in a vacuum, and whether we like it or not there are a lot of cultural assumptions tied to gender. Some of those we encounter from the outside, other people, but some are even within ourselves.
    I've been living in a vacumn quite happily for the past 41yrs. Other people are only relevant if you make them so. Not everyone is a prisoner to other peoples expectations. The one advantage to being an INTJ is that you never expect to be accepted so you dont bother working for it and are free to do as you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoCares View Post
    I've been living in a vacumn quite happily for the past 41yrs. Other people are only relevant if you make them so. Not everyone is a prisoner to other peoples expectations. The one advantage to being an INTJ is that you never expect to be accepted so you dont bother working for it and are free to do as you will.
    This is true of INTPs too. Although in our case, I think there is little desire to be accepted.
    And I think our innate tendency to question all cultural assumptions works in our favour, when it comes to freeing ourselves of such toxic influences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Although in our case, I think there is little desire to be accepted.
    We like to tell ourselves that, but nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, this is true for myself.
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