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    I attempt to paint a picture of an INTJ (figuratively...) in this video. Let me hear your feedback and critiques!

    Discussion/Questions I have:
    -Experiences with INTJs?
    -For INTJs: What are some grand ideas or interesting perspectives you have that are related to Ni? Let me into your inner world. (INFJs feel free to answer too, or anybody with Ni)
    -For INTJs: When do you get emotional?

    Below is my unedited, in-depth portrait of an INTJ. I use the word "He" throughout it, but remember, of course, that there are female INTJs out there too.

    Ni and Te:

    Here's a guy who's calculating, analytical, and not afraid to look straight at reality for what it is. He knows he's right about something when evidence and the real world stares back at him with an affirming nod. He's confident in the agendas he pushes forward or the directions he gives to people because it's all based on that affirming nod, on the evidence. He thinks, how can you argue with this judgment when the evidence is right here? He will only change his opinion when new evidence expands his perspective OR contradicts what he originally saw. These judgments are rigid and solid. They're based on the constant and stable real world.

    These characteristics are what everybody sees in the INTJ, they're the things that get outwardly shown. But these are not what define the INTJ. They're not the biggest part of what an INTJ is.

    Contrary to what you may think, INTJs are, at their core, observers. But not observers of the outside world, observers of their inner world, of their own ideas and how their ideas are evolving. They devote most of their energies to experiencing. But not experiencing events or what's going on around them. Experiencing impressions. For instance, somebody makes a comment about religion. The INTJ experiences something intense from this comment, an intense impression is going on inside of them. Their energies focus in on how this changes their perspectives, their ideas, their previous judgments, their world view. They sense potential in this comment and start probing the person, asking further questions, seeing how this further changes the process going on inside them.

    INTJs are impression junkies. They live for finding things that leave a lasting impression on them or that which transforms their thoughts into something completely new. Unlike Ne-doms, they focus on one thing or a few things at a time. Things that leave a lasting impression on them are near and dear to them. This concept or area study or whatever it is that piques their interest is what they're completely devoted to. If they drop that one thing then they lose a lot of progress and they have to search like a lost dog for something else that had just as high a magnitude of effect on them. This is unlike Ne-doms. The object holds no special significance to the Ne-dom. Once the surface level stimulation is exhausted, they uncaringly move on to the next thing that's stimulating.

    Why is the cold, analytical nature needed? Where do the rigid judgments come into play? The perspectives and ideas that they have in their heads have the most potential when they align with reality as much as possible. When they are valid. Sound judgements are used as a filter to cut out ideas that don't align with the real world, those that hit a dead end in potential because of that misalignment. Te is the process they need for this. Ideas become are developed because of Te. Ideas cannot be built on top of if they have no part of reality serving as a base or reference point. They can not be developed. In order to develop their ideas and their perspectives Te is needed. It's like the structure and raw material that keeps a building standing up. It gives the ideas form and allows them to be developed and built upon.
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    fyi, I deleted your duplicate thread in the MBTI subforum. for next time, just PM a mod and we can move your thread, no need to duplicate
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    It seems based on this video that INTJs can take parts from the outside world and from them inside their minds forge them together into an ever evolving construction that can develop itself with coming contingencies.

    In simple terms, you are saying that INTJs are good at coming up with ideas that can transform in accordance with the context.

    I would imagine that this makes them very good at pushing concepts to the limit and from them generating maximum progress.

    It's interesting how the external world is used as a focus point from which the internal world expands its own awareness.

    Reality I guess is a great inspiration we can use to come up with new mental images, as everything in our mind seems to have its origins in our perceptions.

    We need to see the present reality in order to build the vision of the immanent reality.

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    First, let me say that I've watched your videos on youtube and I respect you and the effort you put into uncovering MBTI functions. Also, I'm not sure I'm INTJ as I sometimes test as an INFJ [Enneagram always comes out as a 5 though], but one thing that is constant in every test I've taken is that I have a high precentage of Ni, so I want to respond to your video and questions as honestly and candidly as I can to help you in your research, because I perceive that you strive for accuracy and sincerity in your work. In my opinion, you did a great job. Regardless of what anyone may say following my post, your video is dead on, at least for me, and if some expert of all experts feels the need to prove you wrong, thus proving me to be an ESFP or an ISTJ or some other unexpected combinations of functions, my verdict still stands.

    Discussion/Questions I have:

    -Experiences with INTJs?
    --I can only say that I'm a lot like that. When I latch onto something and I know I'm right, I will push my agenda and come hell or high water, if I know I'm right, I will see it through to a successful end, if something happens or new evidence is presented that proves me wrong, then I'll admit to being wrong, re-evaluate and go at it from another angle. Maybe I will do so subtly, because you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but still, I will do it. When something sparks inside me, I never give up.

    -For INTJs: What are some grand ideas or interesting perspectives you have that are related to Ni? Let me into your inner world. (INFJs feel free to answer too, or anybody with Ni)
    Wow, that could take awhile, but I don't have time to be long-winded, so I will give a single example of Ni at work during a daily situation in my life. It's a realtively weak example, but it's the first one that comes to mind. So, here goes: There was a certain member of our martial arts demo team that I had a gut feeling about on Sunday. I just had this sudden and unexpected realization that he was going to up and quit our team, back out. He had said nothing to lead me to this conclusion, but there were clues, the kind of clues that can only be picked up on intuitively, something about the way he held his head during our last demo and about the way he smiled and moved. Something about him was amiss, something that no one could have actually pin-pointed. I had picked up on these unspoken hints and I knew. Sure enough, yesterday morning, I got a text message from my fellow instructor that this member had quit.

    -For INTJs: When do you get emotional?
    You know the part of the video where you describe being in the meeting and someone makes a philosphical comment that leaves a lasting impression and the listener senses potential from the comment and latches onto it, devoting extreme focus on how it is changing their understanding? That is more me than anything I've ever read or heard in MBTI functions and yet, this video is the first place I've come across it phrased in such a way, very interesting. At any rate, when that latching onto an impression, that recognizing that some idea has the power to become something which I can develop into a reality, it is the most emotional thing in the world to me, because that is what I live for, and then of course, I am faced with the challenge of communicating that idea with others because unless people buy into an idea, it will never accomplish anything.

    I am an observer of my inner world, of constantly elvolving perspectives and ideas, just like you described. That, in a nutshell, is the very essence of how my mind works.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    First, let me say that I've watched your videos on youtube and I respect you and the effort you put into uncovering MBTI functions. Also, I'm not sure I'm INTJ as I sometimes test as an INFJ [Enneagram always comes out as a 5 though], but one thing that is constant in every test I've taken is that I have a high precentage of Ni, so I want to respond to your video and questions as honestly and candidly as I can to help you in your research, because I perceive that you strive for accuracy and sincerity in your work. In my opinion, you did a great job. Regardless of what anyone may say following my post, your video is dead on, at least for me, and if some expert of all experts feels the need to prove you wrong, thus proving me to be an ESFP or an ISTJ or some other unexpected combinations of functions, my verdict still stands.
    Awesome. I'm so glad to hear this.

    You see, I took a different approach to making the video: I just created a hypothetical image of how I thought INTJ would be and kind of combined it with parts of INTJs I've known or seen. Then I tried describing that image. Then, I condensed my description as simply as possible without losing the meaning behind it. The full description is posted in the youtube description.

    I read the rest of your post as well. It offered perspective and real life examples, which was what I was looking for.

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    I'll definitely check out your description on youtube. I'm so glad my examples were of some benefit. I think your new approached worked well.
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    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=61024&page=14

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    Very interesting and good description! You found a new point of view into nature of INTJ I hadn't thought about earlier
    INTJ, HSP, 1w9 or tritype 154, sx/sp

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    Well, it gets to the basics but I don't feel it really captures the depth of the type either. It's late and I need to sleep so I might address this at a later point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    Very interesting and good description! You found a new point of view into nature of INTJ I hadn't thought about earlier
    That's great! What in particular was new to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Well, it gets to the basics but I don't feel it really captures the depth of the type either. It's late and I need to sleep so I might address this at a later point.
    I encourage you to add on to my description OR type out your own. Then, everyone will benefit. (Provided what you type out is on target )

    But yes, the description could be more fleshed out of course. It was designed for a youtube video though, so that's to be expected (unless I want to make the video longer, but the shorter the better on youtube).

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