[ENTP] ENTPs, what are your two strongest letters?

[Such Irony]

neither do i - here's my trick:

i read the functions as follows:
TiFe: reflects upon information to explore the outside.
FiTe: super imposes information to express the inside.
SiNe: connects incoming information in one's collection.
NiSe: connecting incoming information within it's flow.

this allows me to split each function in two ways:

temperamental:
T: resolving stress from cognitive dissonance in general.
F: resolving stress from emotional dissonance in particular.
S: reacts to the existing details of the experienced objects.
N: reacts to the relationships between the experienced objects.

cognitive:
Je manifests as an information mapping mechanism, stressed by chaotic stimuli.
Ji manifests as an information navigating mechanism, seeking maximum stimuli.
Pe manifests as information threading, providing the most stimulating images.
Pi manifests as information framing, providing the most cohesive images.

which stems from this:
E functions are processed faster then the rate at which we consciously experience them.
-> demanding that we'll catch up & compensate for the missing nuances by bouncing it off others.
I functions are processed slower then the rate at which we consciously experience them.
-> demanding that we'll wait for the information to unfold and give it the mental space to do so.

this way, i can say that:
someone is "very E" = always running to catch up with the latest processed info.
someone is "very N" = pays a lot of attention to the relationships between objects.
someone is "very T" = very stressed by cognitive dissonance in general.
someone is "very P" = very oriented towards seeking the maximum stimulation.

and still do it in my comfort zone (breaking information down).

This is an interesting way to think about it. Going by that, I'm a strong Ti/Fe and Si/Ne user and dominant Pi.

I'm not quite clear on NiSe- connecting information within its flow. Do you have an example? Maybe I'm not clear on it because I don't 'use' that pattern of processing.

 

[Society]

This is an interesting way to think about it. Going by that, I'm a strong Ti/Fe and Si/Ne user and dominant Pi.

I'm not quite clear on NiSe- connecting information within its flow. Do you have an example? Maybe I'm not clear on it because I don't 'use' that pattern of processing.

here's a picture of me explaining both Ne & Ni to an SP, taken from a another galaxy far far away:

Imagine if you will, 3 students in an art class:
Selina, Neli & Nigel.
They are tasked with drawing a scenery, perhaps of a dinner table.


Selina, who you are most used to identifying with (as an ISFP), depicts every detail of a spaghetti bowl:

But to her left - there's Neli, who is doing what Selina finds unthinkable - leaving the details out, sketching objects that carry in some of the attributes & properties of the original, but quite lacking in others. It is now merely a composition of particularly long interweaving objects:

"WTF?", Selina thinks, this is a very poor depiction of a spaghetti bowl.

But in Neli's pofolio, there has already once being a drawing containing long interweaving objects:

So Neli combines the two, and creates something altogether new:

Neli didn't create it from nothing, it's merely that for her, both images of both items - the spaghetti bowl and the octopus - had stages that lacked just enough details to the point of being associative of one another.




For the rest of the dinner table, Selina goes on putting a dot for every detail:

But to Selina's right, Nigel seems to be doing something rather odd. Nigel is not yet ready to look at the details, first, he needs to know where to put them:

He focuses on the subject, marking the patterns he knows - each a composition of lines superseding the details.
Perhaps a human dining at the table:

Slowly but surely, Nigel collects his patterns and places them one one on the other, until he feels confident that he knows where every detail goes:

And gradually, Nigel's grand vision emerges:

What Selina observed Neli and Nigel doing was merely that in each case, they delayed taking notice of the details and particulars, and thus created intermediary stages in the process in which the few details that they had generated shapes that would otherwise be masked by the particular details: Neli took that washed out detail-less image she had and looked in her storage of matching shapes to bring in details that were not associated with the image beforehand, and Nigel saw the details forming into lines and shapes that helped him see in what places do the details go. In both cases, the patterns come into mental existence by having stages in which the details are removed.

tl;dr: while Ne connects the incoming pattern to the big collection of past patterns (just like Si does with sensory info), Ni connects incoming pattern with other incoming patterns (much like Se does with sensory info).

but seriously - i am starting to feel bad for the thread starter...

 

[Such Irony]

here's a picture of me explaining both Ne & Ni to an SP, taken from a another galaxy far far away:

Imagine if you will, 3 students in an art class:
Selina, Neli & Nigel.
They are tasked with drawing a scenery, perhaps of a dinner table.


Selina, who you are most used to identifying with (as an ISFP), depicts every detail of a spaghetti bowl:

But to her left - there's Neli, who is doing what Selina finds unthinkable - leaving the details out, sketching objects that carry in some of the attributes & properties of the original, but quite lacking in others. It is now merely a composition of particularly long interweaving objects:

"WTF?", Selina thinks, this is a very poor depiction of a spaghetti bowl.

But in Neli's pofolio, there has already once being a drawing containing long interweaving objects:

So Neli combines the two, and creates something altogether new:

Neli didn't create it from nothing, it's merely that for her, both images of both items - the spaghetti bowl and the octopus - had stages that lacked just enough details to the point of being associative of one another.




For the rest of the dinner table, Selina goes on putting a dot for every detail:

But to Selina's right, Nigel seems to be doing something rather odd. Nigel is not yet ready to look at the details, first, he needs to know where to put them:

He focuses on the subject, marking the patterns he knows - each a composition of lines superseding the details.
Perhaps a human dining at the table:

Slowly but surely, Nigel collects his patterns and places them one one on the other, until he feels confident that he knows where every detail goes:

And gradually, Nigel's grand vision emerges:

What Selina observed Neli and Nigel doing was merely that in each case, they delayed taking notice of the details and particulars, and thus created intermediary stages in the process in which the few details that they had generated shapes that would otherwise be masked by the particular details: Neli took that washed out detail-less image she had and looked in her storage of matching shapes to bring in details that were not associated with the image beforehand, and Nigel saw the details forming into lines and shapes that helped him see in what places do the details go. In both cases, the patterns come into mental existence by having stages in which the details are removed.

tl;dr: while Ne connects the incoming pattern to the big collection of past patterns (just like Si does with sensory info), Ni connects incoming pattern with other incoming patterns (much like Se does with sensory info).

but seriously - i am starting to feel bad for the thread starter...

Good example. This makes more sense now.

 

[Ism]

I think a better way to ask this would be 'ENTPs, what are your weakest letters?' An ENTP with a strong E,N,T, or P still looks like an ENTP. But when you say oh, my T is weaker, or my E is weaker (speaking according to the letters themselves, and not the functions), then you can have those levels of more ENFP ENTPs or INTP ENTPs.

 

[ummm]

Damn. l want to say NT but l don't necessarily have those interests. l'm going go with TP. l'd say l do value my preference to reserve judgment but am simultaneously skeptical(at times very much so lol). And l totally could look like an ISTP.

 

[Derogatory]

ET - Objectivist, Commander, Competitor?

It's rather true. Usually it's no way I give up in competitions or discussions, also one of the most important things to me is to be objective.

ENTP with strong ET, tend to look and behave like an ESTJ

More like ENTJ, I would say.

 

[entropie]

I am good at the Alpha; the Omega keeps elluding me

 

[Blackmail!]

The winner of this poll can ONLY be N, since ENTP are Ne-dom.

And usually, ENTP have less extreme E and T functions than their fellow Extroverts (high Ni, high Ti) or fellow Thinkers (high tertiary Fe).

So far, the results are ENtP, and I'm not surprised.

 

[entropie]

The winner of this poll can ONLY be N, since ENTP are Ne-dom.

And usually, ENTP have less extreme E and T functions than their fellow Extroverts (high Ni, high Ti) or fellow Thinkers (high tertiary Fe).

So far, the results are ENtP, and I'm not surprised.

Thats very catgerocial, where's the N that likes to be surprised in you ?

 

[Blackmail!]

Thats very catgerocial, where's the N that likes to be surprised in you ?

That's a paradox, and paradoxes are always interesting!

 

[RaptorWizard]

That's a paradox, and paradoxes are always interesting!

Paradoxes are for Ni dominants, you evil Mastermind INTJ masquerading as an inventive ENTP!

 

[Blackmail!]

Paradoxes are for Ni dominants, you evil Mastermind INTJ masquerading as an inventive ENTP!

Nonetheless, so far we have:

E : 5 votes
N : 11 votes
T : 2 votes
P : 7 votes

That's eNtP.

And my prediction seems pretty accurate.

 

[gmanyo]

My P usually tests the highest, but I think EN for me. My E is sometimes low, but I think that's because of bipolar and anxiety disorder; I'll isolate and listen to music/go on the computer when nervous because it's distracting. But then, I don't really think the letters mean too much compared to the cognitive functions.

 

[Society]

Nonetheless, so far we have:

E : 5 votes
N : 11 votes
T : 2 votes
P : 7 votes

That's eNtP.

And my prediction seems pretty accurate.

ok... but why is the EN getting so many votes?

 

[Blackmail!]

ok... but why is the EN getting so many votes?

Ne-dom is the answer you seek.

And Ne is determined first by N, and then by either P or E.

 

[digesthisickness]

My two strongest letters are N and T every single time.

 

[Blackmail!]

My two strongest letters are N and T every single time.

Heretics!!!

 

[digesthisickness]

True ENTP. You wouldn't understand that.

 

[Society]

Ne-dom is the answer you seek.

And Ne is determined first by N, and then by either P or E.

NP i get (obviously *points at sig*), but the thing is someone's votes sort of illustrates what other types they might consider as secondary options.

for example as an eNtP, at different times INTP ENFP & INFP aren't far fetched for me on the surface - they don't have as good of a fit but they at least describe a couple of things correctly - to the point that if ENTP wasn't an option i might have ended up typed as one of them. to the same extent i would expect EN-voters to be able to see the vague descriptions of ENFP, ENTJ & ENFJ as secondary options, the later two not been Ne oriented at all.

 

[digesthisickness]

My P is such a close third that it was really hard to answer. All three are ridiculously high. Almost freakish.