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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    He also seems to lose control with inferior extroverted sensing.
    This effect becomes particularly noticeable to me when control is re-established, things fall back into perspective and I realize that the moment of immersion it not going to last forever. I bet Nietzsche got his idea of the Dionysian from a drinking experience.

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    why you guys gotta be so cute insufferable cute?
    Genes and jeans.

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    Is there any way to convince my ISTJ friend that he's wrong? Even if I present logically consistent arguments, he will dismiss them even though he makes the fallacious claim that he himself is as logically consistent as I am, yet he consistently ignores the flaws and loops in his own arguments if it is to be benefit of supporting his worldview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride View Post
    Is there any way to convince my ISTJ friend that he's wrong? Even if I present logically consistent arguments, he will dismiss them even though he makes the fallacious claim that he himself is as logically consistent as I am, yet he consistently ignores the flaws and loops in his own arguments if it is to be benefit of supporting his worldview.
    Ask him how he knows that his claim is true. Then unsettle the foundations on which that alleged knowledge is built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    why you guys gotta be so cute insufferable cute?
    It's just the awkward blunt awesome way we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride View Post
    Is there any way to convince my ISTJ friend that he's wrong? Even if I present logically consistent arguments, he will dismiss them even though he makes the fallacious claim that he himself is as logically consistent as I am, yet he consistently ignores the flaws and loops in his own arguments if it is to be benefit of supporting his worldview.
    I would never get into a worldviews discussion with an ISTJ. Ever. They've got unshakable beliefs in their minds, and there's no changing them once they're set. Appeal to his reason if you even want to try to get close, or just use Nico's method... it's blunt, but it'll work if it really means that much to you to be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    why you guys gotta be so cute insufferable cute?
    <Looks behind me to see who you are talking to >

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride View Post
    Is there any way to convince my ISTJ friend that he's wrong? Even if I present logically consistent arguments, he will dismiss them even though he makes the fallacious claim that he himself is as logically consistent as I am, yet he consistently ignores the flaws and loops in his own arguments if it is to be benefit of supporting his worldview.
    Here is what you do. You start out with your argument, then gradually start arguing his. Let him point out his own inconsistencies (which he believes are yours). Once he is all hot and bothered remind him of his own argument, and hammer down the solutions or truths you have discovered to compensate for it.

    Don't ever argue who is more logical. It makes both of you look retarded.

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    Why do INTJs love talking about Ni and Fi, but rarely Te?

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    Wouldn't they need Te to answer that?
    "The only time I'm wrong is when I'm questioning myself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Why do INTJs love talking about Ni and Fi, but rarely Te?
    Goals and motivations matter, tools are negligible.

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