[INTJ] INTJ's, conquering the world, why?

[Vilku]

i have noticed that trend, but i still wonder if its all evil selfish, or are there good intjs too? Although ive noticed all tertiary feelers are evil, for intjs case its by being at the top manipulating those beneath.

Is that behavior\thinking healthy for intj's?

 

[fripping]

they do it because they love the world very much, and want to take good care of it. right? well that's what they said.

 

[Coriolis]

It is as much a joke as reality; a charicature that people have fun with. The reality for most INTJs is the only world we want to conquer is our own: our own time, work, living space, knowledge base, etc We want autonomy in all we do, which involves some tailoring of the environment to bring that about in many cases. Of course we do have visions and make plans and implement them, often with great success, but that involves improving, enhancing, and problem-solving more than conquering. We really don't want to be in charge of things (we're introverts, after all), we just want them to be better than they are.

 

[RaptorWizard]

A question of great importance is what you intend to do with that ultimate control. For example, if you were to shine a new dawn of universal enlightenment upon the world, it could lead to world peace, and a greater light to guide our ways towards the top of the mountain. In use of such altruism, world domination could indeed be a noble goal.

Of course, there is also the evil and more selfish side as well, but at least the man in charge is more likely to make wise decisions for the betterment of humanity than the regular people would themselves, even if the means of its achievement is more controversial.

 

[Stanton Moore]

They talk a big talk, but it amounts to nothing more than most people's big talk. Most who do this are barely out of adolescence. Just concentrate on learning how to control yourself and leave the world domination talk for your gullible friends.

 

[RaptorWizard]

They talk a big talk, but it amounts to nothing more than most people's big talk. Most who do this are barely out of adolescence. Just concentrate on learning how to control yourself and leave the world domination talk for your gullible friends.

"Don't fear failure. — Not failure, but low aim, is the crime. In great attempts it is glorious even to fail." - Bruce Lee

The above quote is why even if what these people talk about seems great and impossible, to direct one's life towards such an objective, even if not of immediate production or importance, may in the end shape our very destinies, as those who come can build upon the foundation greater monuments in an ever evolving construction, in the end possibly proving to be a triumphal success.

 

[FireShield98]

I used to plan on conquering the world, then I took an arrow in the knee but now I'm just planning to write a book series where the plot is world domination.

 

[ceecee]

It is as much a joke as reality; a charicature that people have fun with. The reality for most INTJs is the only world we want to conquer is our own: our own time, work, living space, knowledge base, etc We want autonomy in all we do, which involves some tailoring of the environment to bring that about in many cases. Of course we do have visions and make plans and implement them, often with great success, but that involves improving, enhancing, and problem-solving more than conquering. We really don't want to be in charge of things (we're introverts, after all), we just want them to be better than they are.

This.

 

[Society]

i have noticed that trend

usually it's less "conquering the world" and more "conquering a tiny little corner of their own tiny little world".

a good example for an INTJ doing so might be my father:

• he was quite content in having transformed the way Israeli timeshare businesses operate by catering for local market needs and thus creating an economic opening for local companies to compete with the larger international ones coming in. he looked at it, his vision was implemented, smiled, and sold it.
• before that he was working in a high school, until he was very happy in having transformed the way the science and technology has being taught in that school, opening whole new departments, and created a local program for helping kids overcome difficulty in math in their own pace. when he felt his job was done, he went onto look for the next thing he wanted to do (figuring out how he can combine his love of travel with business).
• apparently he did something similar in some kind of airforce program which he was very proud of and yet never share the details, but all of his old army buddies thought he's a freaking genius.

neither of those involved some megalomaniac dream of changing the world, instead he found his own little niches in his own little world in which he can implement his vision, feel incredibly content about it and move on. yet as small as it might be, by the time he was in his mid 40s, he felt like he has conquered the world, in his own little ways.

 

[Vilku]

"Don't fear failure. — Not failure, but low aim, is the crime. In great attempts it is glorious even to fail." - Bruce Lee

The above quote is why even if what these people talk about seems great and impossible, to direct one's life towards such an objective, even if not of immediate production or importance, may in the end shape our very destinies, as those who come can build upon the foundation greater monuments in an ever evolving construction, in the end possibly proving to be a triumphal success.

so youre saying my plans to become the most emotionally expressive musician (thus the bethoven of my own time) .. _And_ a voice actor who has his voice starring in the popular video games isnt in vain? Nice to know, nice to know..

I think ive already proven my potential for such achievements, maybe its time to actually start acting towards them?

Hm yeah, theres certainly some huge arrogance in Ni function, INJ's aiming for great achievements and ENJ's just that, arrogant.

 

[WhoCares]

Which INTJs are currently ensconced as evil overlord, master manipulator? Seriously I can't think of a single one currently heading up the illuminati and pulling the puppet mater strings of international economics. As far as I can tell INTJs are most likely to be masters of their filing cabinet of neurosis and intray of broken dreams. We are for the most part woefully inept at manipulating people since we lack the charisma and insight into other people that such a feat requires.

NB - I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was yet another INTJ falling victim to their delusions of grandeur.

 

[Vilku]

[MENTION=16264]WhoCares[/MENTION]


"NB - I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was yet another INTJ falling victim to their delusions of grandeur. "

hahhah, that got me laughing! =D

"Which INTJs are currently ensconced as evil overlord, master manipulator? Seriously I can't think of a single one currently heading up the illuminati and pulling the puppet mater strings of international economics. As far as I can tell INTJs are most likely to be masters of their filing cabinet of neurosis and intray of broken dreams. We are for the most part woefully inept at manipulating people since we lack the charisma and insight into other people that such a feat requires."

i dont think intj's are incapable of great achievements. Just look at skyrims game designer todd howard, most likely intj and his awkward charisma is cute. Super cute.

Intj's can study themselves well into their passion and contribute that way. The european school system is perfect for intj's to rise in, not so much for infj's as we rather learn by ourselves, the Te studying approach only distracting us

 

[Vilku]

[MENTION=16264]WhoCares[/MENTION]


"NB - I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was yet another INTJ falling victim to their delusions of grandeur. "

hahhah, that got me laughing! =D

"Which INTJs are currently ensconced as evil overlord, master manipulator? Seriously I can't think of a single one currently heading up the illuminati and pulling the puppet mater strings of international economics. As far as I can tell INTJs are most likely to be masters of their filing cabinet of neurosis and intray of broken dreams. We are for the most part woefully inept at manipulating people since we lack the charisma and insight into other people that such a feat requires."

i dont think intj's are incapable of great achievements. Just look at skyrims game designer todd howard, most likely intj and his awkward charisma is cute. Super cute.

Intj's can study themselves well into their passion and contribute that way. The european school system is perfect for intj's to rise in, not so much for infj's as we rather learn by ourselves, the Te studying approach only distracting us

 

[KDude]

i dont think intj's are incapable of great achievements. Just look at skyrims game designer todd howard, most likely intj and his awkward charisma is cute. Super cute.

Even then, Howard is more of a master specialist. Not an all seeing eye over the game.. He's more of the master of his domain, in the world building and engine tech. This is what he can promote the most. He doesn't speak up much about lore, storyline, character design, etc..

 

[Vilku]

Even then, Howard is more of a master specialist. Not an all seeing eye over the game.. He's more of the master of his domain, in the world building and engine tech. This is what he can promote the most. He doesn't speak up much about lore, storyline, character design, etc..

thats how things go, there are roles cause people have different strengths. Like i would rather not attempt contributing in technicalities to this world, but rather with my creative use of skills i master such as using my voice for acting, and creating music by instruments, by which i hope i could some day contribute to games in my specializations. However, ive also gone and dwelled in the game technicalities so its not impossible for me to perform in those areas too, in fact i pride myself for being multitalented which means i can, even alone take projects which would normally require multiple people. And im planning to extend my creative abilities even in drawing which i hate, and you wonder why? Well i love my drawings even as i hate doing them. I just think it would be useful so i can vomit my creativity in that form too, making the possibilities of my creations even larger compartment.

 

[Coriolis]

usually it's less "conquering the world" and more "conquering a tiny little corner of their own tiny little world".

a good example for an INTJ doing so might be my father:

• he was quite content in having transformed the way Israeli timeshare businesses operate by catering for local market needs and thus creating an economic opening for local companies to compete with the larger international ones coming in. he looked at it, his vision was implemented, smiled, and sold it.
• before that he was working in a high school, until he was very happy in having transformed the way the science and technology has being taught in that school, opening whole new departments, and created a local program for helping kids overcome difficulty in math in their own pace. when he felt his job was done, he went onto look for the next thing he wanted to do (figuring out how he can combine his love of travel with business).
• apparently he did something similar in some kind of airforce program which he was very proud of and yet never share the details, but all of his old army buddies thought he's a freaking genius.

neither of those involved some megalomaniac dream of changing the world, instead he found his own little niches in his own little world in which he can implement his vision, feel incredibly content about it and move on. yet as small as it might be, by the time he was in his mid 40s, he felt like he has conquered the world, in his own little ways.

This seems fairly typical for the INTJs I know, myself included. We are good at setting our goals high, but not so high that we cannot achieve them. Of course, it doesn't always look like that to others, but to us, other people often aim for far less than they would be able to achieve.

 

[PeaceBaby]

Every time I see this question pop up in the new posts, "INTJ's, conquering the world, why?"

I ask myself, "Why not?"

Every INTJ I know looks at their world with an eye to improvement. If any type is especially wired to have a vision and execute it, it's an INTJ.

 

[KDude]

I ask myself, "Why not?"

Why not? Because it's my world too. I don't care how much the whole improves, I still demand to have my own sandbox. And if I need a god to rule over me, I'll look for one not made of flesh and bone, and who doesn't takes shits and eats just like I do.

 

[Lark]

i have noticed that trend, but i still wonder if its all evil selfish, or are there good intjs too? Although ive noticed all tertiary feelers are evil, for intjs case its by being at the top manipulating those beneath.

Is that behavior\thinking healthy for intj's?

It'd bring me a little closer to killing everyone on the revenge list and possessing the love of my life. I'm usual E rather than I but anyway.

 

[PeaceBaby]

Why not? Because it's my world too. I don't care how much the whole improves, I still demand to have my own sandbox. And if I need a god to rule over me, I'll look for one not made of flesh and bone, and who doesn't takes shits and eats just like I do.