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    He died.

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    This one is pretty good:

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke 14:26
    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    It has probably caused more harm than anything a single child molester can accomplish in a lifetime.

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    There is a bit of evidence that he never existed though and that he was made up. I'm not sure I buy it though.

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    There probably was a historical Jesus. Most of the things attributed to him, however, are likely the stuff of legend. This includes the established myths of pre-existing deities like Mithras and Osiris, as well as co-opting the messianic heritage of the Old Testament. See Clysta Kinstler's The Moon Under Her Feet for an alternate interpretation of the Jesus story.
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    Titus Flavius Josephus was a first century Jew who was an historian for Rome. The historical Jesus is a paragraph in his "Jewish Antiquities".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    There is a bit of evidence that he never existed though and that he was made up. I'm not sure I buy it though.
    I'm not sure what that "bit of evidence" would be.

    Typically what you seen in the literature is that the existence of Jesus historically is not really questioned; there is simply not a lot of data, it's a sentence or a a paragraph mentioned here and there in about 6-8 pieces of historical writing.

    Then there are the Gospels, but the granularity of the data is questionable. (Even if this person named Jesus existed, are the level of details down to actual conversations and minor life events actually accurate?) The transmission of the Gospels seems pretty accurate, but that simply says the text hasn't changed significantly from the 1-2 century writings; it doesn't confirm that the actual content is historically accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I'm not sure what that "bit of evidence" would be.

    Typically what you seen in the literature is that the existence of Jesus historically is not really questioned; there is simply not a lot of data, it's a sentence or a a paragraph mentioned here and there in about 6-8 pieces of historical writing.

    Then there are the Gospels, but the granularity of the data is questionable. (Even if this person named Jesus existed, are the level of details down to actual conversations and minor life events actually accurate?) The transmission of the Gospels seems pretty accurate, but that simply says the text hasn't changed significantly from the 1-2 century writings; it doesn't confirm that the actual content is historically accurate.
    Google it. You will see what I am talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Google it. You will see what I am talking about.
    I was hoping you'd contribute it to the convo (you don't even have a link?), as in all the years I studied it and have read about it, I never ran across such a thing (from a serious perspective, at least) and don't feel like looking it up right now.
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    I heard Siddhartha Gautama liked to punch babies.

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    Racism -
    Matthew 15:22-26 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

    Destruction of property -
    John 2:13-16 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”

    Ditching God -
    Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

    Cursing a tree for not producing fruit in the off-season (Duh? Why not just make it bear fruit?) -
    Mark 11:12-14, 11:20 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it. [...] In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots.

    Perfuming himself rather than helping the poor -
    Matthew 26:6-11 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.” Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

    Encouraging strife -
    Matthew 10:5 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
    Matthew 10:21 Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

    Keeping salvation a secret -
    Mark 4:11-12 He told them, The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!

    Chastising people for not killing their kids -
    Mark 7:8-10 And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, Honor your father and your mother, and, Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

    Killing around 2,000 of pigs for no real reason -
    Mark 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.

    Approving of beating people -
    Luke 12:47 The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

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