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    Oh? How so? If it's in the thread, I didn't read it all...But I'd like to hear. Was your boss an INTP as well? Not that it matters. Being hateful and mean is not type-related.

    As for mine, her dad (deceased) was quite verbally abusive to their family. That is the only thing I can think to attribute it to, her being so hateful out of the blue like that.
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    I didn't put anything like that in a thread. Something like that would be way too complicated to even try to post in a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorenx7 View Post
    I didn't intentionally bring up someone's name who made inaccurate comments here. The comments he or she made in the other section essentially stating that INFPs and INFJs are from different planets is correct.
    I know. I was just being facetious.

    Ps and Js are from different spheres, basically. I reckon it's the most significant /important difference between people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I know. I was just being facetious.

    Ps and Js are from different spheres, basically. I reckon it's the most significant /important difference between people.
    A radical difference--I've come to discover.

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    I don't think I could be in a relationship with an INTP, or any NT...it's just not what I'm looking for and need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _eric_ View Post
    I don't think I could be in a relationship with an INTP, or any NT...it's just not what I'm looking for and need.
    My view is just the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    yes, and if that's the game, i can easily say, thank you for cheering and clapping at commercial breaks. now here's your free bag of coupons. i'll send you a copy of the quarterly earning statements you helped me generate.

    but anytime you dismiss something, you necessarily dismiss the time you spent participating or resisting participating in it. you sell your authenticity to protect your image. why is it so difficult to see that control has already been lost, given that the only control recognized was outside of us and never ours to begin with?

    you can never directly change the thoughts and the feelings that happen within you. you can only change how you relate to them. whether that's better or worse is up to you; and only knowable after you actually experience it without dismissing it due to fear and continuing the same old parasitic (to you) cycle. of taking the best for yourself and leaving others with the worst. as a friend of mine says, power exhausts itself.

    said another way, your dismissal of j functioning is ironic because you don't know how to fully explore and stay with and appreciate that part of yourself and the range of experiences that open up because of that way of functioning. you predict it's wrong based on decisions already made. same critique as your own, just at a different order. confirmation bias affects all cognitive processes. and the differentiation of cognitive processes itself is to specialize in specific types of confirmation bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I know. I was just being facetious.

    Ps and Js are from different spheres, basically. I reckon it's the most significant /important difference between people.
    I am probably going to regret writing this, however, I have to somewhat "take up" for the INFJ's in this case. Especially all IXXJ's.
    As an INTP, our dominant function is a judging one. IXXJ's on the other hand, not. Extroverted J's DO prematurely judge (IMO), but Introverted ones have perceiving dominant functions. I think this is where most of our (and these two) mis-communications arise. I have caught myself MANY times immediately saying NO to something my ISTJ friend, or INFJ mother have said b/c what they said did not fit in with my previous logical "truths" I had come to know. Granted, I don't like to say I know much, but some things, I see as obvious universal truths. (It isn't so always obvious to others, however.) As INTP's, we build our logic internally just like ENTJ's build their's externally. We are JUDGERS! I have discounted MANY things in my life b/c it didn't make sense. That even includes people.
    I am now 30, and over the last few years, I have come to the MOST logical conclusion. People are NOT logical. Logic has HUGE boundaries b/c of perception. That being said, I have been able to listen and be more open to things that seem "crazy," "illogical," "inconsistent," and etc. I have even been able to do so with an open mind, and EVEN sometimes have grown & realized that my perception caused me to come to an illogical conclusion! (which REALLY has blown my mind a few times...)
    So, even though we are Perceivers, we are not necessarily always "open."

    So...yeah, we all think we are right. Whether J or P.
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    Coming back to something earlier…

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i think i figured it out(at least partially). INFJs seem to be bit hard to approach, they behave in this weird way, like creating some walls by being distant(especially physically) in many ways at the beginning(dunno if they do it consciously or unconsciously). but yet, they seem to want someone who is more proactive(which ENTPs and ENFPs usually are) and can get past these obstacles that they create. and well, i cant do that because i see the obstacles, am pretty hypersensitive about peoples boundaries in general and just can find my way through them. so, because they create these obstacles which i cant get through, there cant really be any sort of intimacy happening, hence lack of sparks, even tho they like my mind and i like theirs -> friends. also i think the thing you mentioned about judging quick just makes it worse, i mean im pretty sure that i could navigate my way through the obstacles, if i had more time to do so..
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    yea, but i dont think "chasing" is the right word(chasing them will make them run away), following precisely the correct protocols(about how much to chase, when to let them come to you, how much to show interest and when, how to behave in certain situations, how to respond to them etc etc) would be better way of putting it imo.

    i do understand that acting certain way etc is needed for all types, but it feels like with INFJs those protocols are very strict, yes you passed or no thanks(as in being very black and white about the value judgments). and not being only strict about the protocols, in my quite limited experience, they tend to be passive as hell and not give much signs about whether you do something by the correct protocol or not, or maybe im just blind to INFJ cues about this. but what ever, as intriguing as some of them might be, they are too passive and play some games which i cant be arsed to play(or more like figure out what the heck is going on, which i think is the game that i have to play and they are just the judges who gives the rating of my performance and not even play it with me..), so they can play their games alone or come to me(which i doubt they do). i want someone who i can dance with(better yet if the other person wants to do some silly dances alone to make me laugh), not someone who is in the corner silently and still just to rate my dancing anyways..

    I agree with what fia wrote about this. [I can’t say I know for certain what she meant, but it seems to describe my exact thoughts on this matter.]

    Quote Originally Posted by what fia wrote about this
    People who operate from a normalized set of social and communicative assumptions work within a larger system of assumptions. As an INFJ I feel that I operate with numerous smaller systems that are inter-related, but not as comprehensive because each one is invented as I meet a new individual. My mind later takes Ni-Ti loops to construct order and interrelationships between these myriad systems. This is why INFJ can have insights that others miss, but can also miss social cues that others consider simple and obvious. INFJ attempts to continually adapt to the "protocols" of others rather than creating one complex set of their own.
    My mind (and that of the INFJ friends I’ve had) really does work contrary to this thing about adhering to ‘strict protocols’- and I think it’s the lack that actually makes people uncomfortable. I can’t help but suspect it’s actually more a frustration that we don’t stick to the ‘normalized set of social and communicative assumptions’ and that can make it difficult to interact with us at first. I think it’s something that most people can take for granted; there’s a whole foundation which goes underneath/behind that which normally might be considered ‘etiquette’, it has to do simply interpreting the meaning of certain behaviors before ‘rude’ or other such labels are attached. Many aspects of communication don’t have an ‘obvious’ immediate meaning to me like they do to most people. In interactions with others, I’m often left sorting through many possibilities about what something could have meant- where most people can respond without really missing a beat (especially Pe doms- they can walk into a room of new people and start immediately interacting with their environment faster than anyone else)- but my own inability to react according to this common set of assumptions creates problems. I’ll be a sort of blank slate because I’m preoccupied with getting acclimated to the person and what their reactions mean. While I’m not completely oblivious to the fact that I’m probably coming across in a way that I don’t intend, that doesn’t change the fact that I’ve got nothing to work with until I’ve become acclimated. I actually have far less rigid standards of what’s “acceptable” than the average person and I can say the same about most the INFJs I’ve known. My ENTP ex used to say he thought I was such a blank slate that I was like a Rorschach test for people to see their own issues in.

    I can see where the assumption that it’s “creating obstacles” or “creating walls by being distant”, or even “playing games” comes from- especially if that common set of assumptions for interaction can be taken for granted. It’s not creating a distance though. Whenever I interact with someone new, it takes effort to figure out how to bridge that distance. The distance is already there though. It’s kind of like how Te doms might see Ti doms as “creating obstacles”…..you can’t help it, you just notice stuff they miss.
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    ^I don't disagree with any of that, and I think I'm probably very similar.

    But, to simplify (at least in the way I see it working within myself / what I think I desire), I think it ultimately boils down to my wanting to see what the other persons' *natural inclinations/desires are* - because in essence I don't really want to change any of that. So some people will have natural inclinations where of their own volition they're more initiating, more playful, push back more, etc, and I may feel I can open up most aspects of myself around that particular dynamic. Whereas someone who is naturally more passive, waiting for me to define something, etc...will maybe not get as much out of me.

    With INTP's example of ENxP's being more apt at pushing back at the INFJ, honestly I think it's true/valid. That sort of dynamic tends to be more 'fruitful' and, well, dynamic to me than dynamics where the other individual is very behind-the-scenes and less initiating. So this means that relationships will be slow-moving in development with certain personalities as opposed to others where it's an instantaneous opening and sharing. (this unfortunately goes beyond mbti I think, though). Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, in the grand scheme, it's just a definite difference and I think it's why for a certain subset of INFJ's, moving beyond friendship with an INTP may not readily happen; esp. factoring in any personal preferences towards certain back-and-forth dynamics.

    So I don't view it as obstacles, although it's interesting it may come across that way. I just tend not to have much compulsion to start talking about myself. The dialogue has to be present; tis why I respond very well to questions and the other person being proactive. (to be fair, I ask a lot of questions too... which I am aware is a total turnoff for some types).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    But, to simplify (at least in the way I see it working within myself / what I think I desire), I think it ultimately boils down to my wanting to see what the other persons' *natural inclinations/desires are* - because in essence I don't really want to change any of that. So some people will have natural inclinations where of their own volition they're more initiating, more playful, push back more, etc, and I may feel I can open up most aspects of myself around that particular dynamic. Whereas someone who is naturally more passive, waiting for me to define something, etc...will maybe not get as much out of me.

    I think there’s a certain subset of INTPs as well who just won’t have the patience for things to unfold at a slower pace. The bolded above is very important to me. One of my best friends is an INTP woman I worked with for close to two years before we started hanging out together, but just through smaller interactions a really well oiled machine built up between us- and after a while the people we worked with were kinda astounded at how we could read each other’s mind; obviously I don’t mean that literally- but we were just so completely on the same page that a single gesture would ‘obviously’ mean some much bigger thing and it was incredibly easy to talk to her. It still is, even though I actually only get together with her maybe once or twice a year, we instantly pick up where we left off. I can easily see moving past friendship with an INTP at that pace. But I’m just not very good at the ‘dating’ thing or getting to know someone in the context of dating- I’ve only ever had relationships with guys I was friends with first anyway…..so I’d probably come across very much like what INTP describes (to an INTP or *any* type that expected me to just *be* there right away in brand new contexts).
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