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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    One of the great innovators of our time and he's an ISTP/xSTJ? I could possibly see ESTP.
    Some good arguments made in these two threads.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...jobs-dead.html

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...teve-jobs.html

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    Steve Jobs = ENTP

    Reality distortion field.

    Debating for fun.

    Hatred of IBM = fitting into society.

    Creating a company because he wouldn't fit anywhere else.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KKYK_K5acM

    Changing of opinions on a dime. Tim Cook recounts it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPiM0DxPkM

    His key word was "Focus" coming back to Apple the second time. The need for simplicity in products, both of which are ENTPs weaknesses turned into strengths. Our constant need for novelty makes us great starters but poor finishers.

    Known as incredibly charming and charismatic.

    Hair down to his ass, walking barefoot and traveling to India to find himself.

    Innovated and re-imagined the following industries:

    Personal Computers

    3D Animation (Pixar)

    Smart phones

    Tablets

    Retail stores

    Emphasis on educational learning. Leaving Apple the first time he founded NeXT a computer company aimed at computers.

    No license plate on his car. Believing he was special and different.

    Emphasis on "purity" of products and people.

    Putting his bare feet on the table and asking new recruits if they were virgins to see how they'd react.

    Steve Jobs = ENTP

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    EDIT: which are more like guidelines since everybody has their own road ahead

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    Steve Jobs was indeed an ISTP. Not ENTP. And Bill Gates is ENTJ, not INTP. The true NTP are Steve Wozniack and Paul Allen, who had a lot of ideas, and were innovative but unpractical, they would go nowhere without the tenacious and pragmatic Se and Ni users that Steve J and Bill G are. Now, to know if ENTPs can be succesful...

    His key word was "Focus"
    Proof that he was ISTP, not ENTP.
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    Everything can be conquered, just start with realistic goals at first and then move up to harder and harder things. That's how my ENTP boyfriend became a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Steve Jobs was indeed an ISTP. Not ENTP. And Bill Gates is ENTJ, not INTP. The true NTP are Steve Wozniack and Paul Allen, who had a lot of ideas, and were innovative but unpractical, they would go nowhere without the tenacious and pragmatic Se and Ni users that Steve J and Bill G are. Now, to know if ENTPs can be succesful...



    Proof that he was ISTP, not ENTP.
    Read the biography.

    You obviously don't understood when he was at NeXT he couldn't focus anything. He created an incredible machine without a realistic market. He was everywhere, and the mantra came out of the fact that he learnt that being a great CEO required focus. Bill Gates is also INTP.

    Please explain to me where going to India to learn meditation, walking barefoot around the office and asking if new recruits are virgins falls into ISTP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourplay View Post
    Read the biography.

    You obviously don't understood when he was at NeXT he couldn't focus anything.
    he was unfocused, yet focused. So, ISTP.

    He created an incredible machine without a realistic market. He was everywhere, and the mantra came out of the fact that he learnt that being a great CEO required focus.
    That has nothing especially related to the ENTP type.

    Bill Gates is also INTP.
    No. Bill Gates is a pragmatic and realistic executive who's driven to play the role of a public figure. That's ENTJ, not INTP.

    Please explain to me where going to India to learn meditation, walking barefoot around the office and asking if new recruits are virgins falls into ISTP?
    ISTPs can have spiritual needs to. And an IP is more prone to learn meditation than a EP. The rest is just the nonconforming yet utilitarian ISTP style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    he was unfocused, yet focused. So, ISTP.



    That has nothing especially related to the ENTP type.



    No. Bill Gates is a pragmatic and realistic executive who's driven to play the role of a public figure. That's ENTJ, not INTP.



    ISTPs can have spiritual needs to. And an IP is more prone to learn meditation than a EP. The rest is just the nonconforming yet utilitarian ISTP style.
    The statement "nonconforming yet utilitarian" is a laughable argument. You might as well say Jobs is an ENTJ because his deep need to be liked made him want to create cool machines. But, the argument for ISTP holds no water. Besides, Jobs was famous for enjoying debates, so much so that it scared those around him. A deep need for collaboration by talking things through. Apple is famous for holding many meetings and everyone coming together.

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