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    Default NTs.

    Why dont we try and name all the meritorious NTs in history. Yes, by meritorious I insinuate that we skip the pop-culture buffoons.

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    Dwight D. Eisenhower, INTP
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    You sure Eisenhower was an INTP? I mean he was a General and I would think that it would be quite difficult for an NTP to stay in the military long enough to rise to the rank of a General, I'd think he was an INTJ, though that is just my personal opinion.

    Lezgo:
    Vladimir Putin: ENTP
    Angela Merkel: INTJ
    Fidel Castro: ENTJ
    Saddam Hussein: ENTJ
    Alexander the Great: ENTP
    Tony Blair: ENTP

    that's it for now, dont know much about American presidents unfortunately.

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    INTP and not an INTJ?

    Support that assertion with argument?

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    How about Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Carl Sagan, etc.? I'm not really into typing folks too specifically, but surely there are some NTs from among the scientists of history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    How about Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Carl Sagan, etc.? I'm not really into typing folks too specifically, but surely there are some NTs from among the scientists of history.
    • Newton (INTx)
    • Galileo (ENTx)
    • Einstein (INTP)
    • Carl Sagan (INTP, probably)
    • Marie Curie
    • Da Vinci (xNTP)
    • Turner, painter
    • Giger, artist "Alien", etc (definitely N, could be NTP or NxJ)
    • Machiavelli (INTP)
    • Socrates (ENTx)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    • Newton (INTx)
    • Galileo (ENTx)
    • Einstein (INTP)
    • Carl Sagan (INTP, probably)
    • Marie Curie
    • Da Vinci (xNTP)
    • Turner, painter
    • Giger, artist "Alien", etc (definitely N, could be NTP or NxJ)
    • Machiavelli (INTP)
    • Socrates (ENTx)

    I am appauled at a lack of careful reflection in your assessments.

    Machiavelly was an ENTP.

    He could not have had a primary Introverted judgment, as he was twisting morality around to support his vision, as theoretical as it was.

    Socrates was an INTP. Figuring things out was more important than experiencing ideas and he was observed spending hours standing still in his silent meditations. Notice how Socrates actually tried to answer the big questions by applying logic, yet Machiavelli was not interested in them, he was interested in practical ideas that support his external vision for this he was a political philosopher.

    Netwon was an INTP and not an INTJ. We will see more evidence for this if we read up on his biography. Though for one being absent-minded is an INTP property not an INTJ. Ni cant focus internally as well as Ti, it will be running all over the place as it has a lot of ground to cover, Ti can focus on a small apsect easily. I once heard a story about how Newton's servant brough him lunch when he was doing his experiment, his friend showed up and hung around for over 2 hours and was completely unnoticed who then ate his food. And when Newton got through with his work he said: Wow, I would not have even known that I ate today had there not been material proof.

    Galileo was much like Socrates in a sense that he was internally focused and used logic to figure out the biggest questions in life. Definitely a perceiver than a judger, you dont find too many ENTJs in science or philosophy.

    ENTPs tend to be political philosophers and if metaphysicians at all they gravitate towards naturalism, they are concerned with the practical ideas more than with theoretical. They also have a penchat for chaos theories, this is how you tell an ENTP apart from an INTP, one is a very systematic thinker and the other not at all.



    Hume and Dewey are excellent examples of how ENTPs gravitate towards chaos theories, Machiavelli's work outlines the way Ne tends to work in philosophy. Though the best example of an ENTP as a thinker would definitely be Voltaire who was not too concerned with deep meditation or profound insights, just with visions that can really change the external world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Razor View Post
    You sure Eisenhower was an INTP? I mean he was a General and I would think that it would be quite difficult for an NTP to stay in the military long enough to rise to the rank of a General, I'd think he was an INTJ, though that is just my personal opinion.

    Lezgo:
    Vladimir Putin: ENTP
    Angela Merkel: INTJ
    Fidel Castro: ENTJ
    Saddam Hussein: ENTJ
    Alexander the Great: ENTP
    Tony Blair: ENTP

    that's it for now, dont know much about American presidents unfortunately.
    To all of this we should add the ENTJ Margaret Thatcher

    Some assert that Putin is an INTP, but I doubt it despite his witless presentation style.

    Gore is probably an ENTP too.

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    I'd be interested to see a list of people who have actually taken the MBTI and come out as NTs, and which type of NTs. It seems, however, that such information isn't so easy to come by. I find speculation on the types of historical figures in a thread like this, where people tend to type said figures with incomplete information and severe biases very uninteresting. Anyone know of any sites where you can find type info on famous people who have actually taken the MBTI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I am appauled at a lack of careful reflection in your assessments.
    Yes. That must have been it. I did not reflect carefully enough upon these historical figures, so I ended up not typing them as you had.

    In any case, Hustler's correct in that most of us are acting from limited knowledge... which is why I don't feel like debating with you, I simply don't have enough evidence to make it worth that level of investment.

    Still, looking at the angles here, you seem to base your assessment on mostly an exploration of their philosophy (which I think can be limiting), whereas I come at it from a "look and feel" POV -- I've read general biographies at some point of them and was interested not in just their basic philosophies but also how they "appeared" from the outside and how they interacted with others... i.e., a more holistic approach.

    In any case, since I haven't done any serious research on most of these people, I can't really debate anything. And, unfortunately, most were dust in their graves before MBTI was even conjectured.
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