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    Default Phobic ENTP 6w7's and developing Fe before Ti

    Have any of you other ENTP's developed your 3rd function before your second (Fe before Ti) and why do you think this happened? Personally I think that it is common for the phobic ENTP 6w7 to develop Fe before Ti. Why? There are a couple of reasons....

    1. Ti being used by itself is very objective and can even come off as aggressive. When, one mistakenly comes off as aggressive this can lead to fights, which can lead to a more unsafe environment, bodily harm, or even a loss of social connections due to offending people. Since danger is what the phobic 6 mostly wants to avoid, I believe they many develop Fe first. If you think about it, Fe is a very diplomatic function, it is the most agreeable and non-offensive function of all the decision making functions. It in general seems like the "safest function" for the ENTP 6 to use, therefore it would make perfect sense to me that many ENTP 6's develop Fe before Ti.

    2. If you read most phobic type 6 descriptions, you will see that they often wind up being co-dependent and many look to others to solve their problems. It would make a lot of sense to me that many phobic ENTP 6w7 types would commonly develop Fe first given this information. If you think about it, Ti is a very independent problem solving function, and ENTP's with strong Ti don't really need to look to others to make sure they are right. However, in order to effectively solve problems by one's self, an individual would have to trust themselves in order to solve the problems effectively. Now given that many phobic 6's don't trust themselves it would also make sense to me that the ENTP 6w7 would develop Fe first as well. Why you ask? Well if one developed Fe first it would eliminate the inner fear that one was not solving the problem correctly. In other words, instead of solving problems by themselves the ENTP could reach out to to the others (Fe) for solutions.

    Does anyone else agree with my theory?
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    or you re just wierd

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    or you re just wierd

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    Wow. That really wasn't the answer I was expecting, but oh well at least I got some feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Wow. That really wasn't the answer I was expecting, but oh well at least I got some feedback.
    In other words, instead of solving problems by themselves the ENTP could reach out to to the others (Fe) for solutions.
    well, while creative team work is key in human output I thought you might need help with that. Getting that Ti out there and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    well, while creative team work is key in human output I thought you might need help with that. Getting that Ti out there and such.
    I'm a strange one, I'll give you that. Although everyone agrees that I am an Ne dom. I actually contacted simulated world on PerN and he told me that I was an ENFP in an Ne<Te loop. The only problem is that I feel like my Te is trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I'm a strange one, I'll give you that. Although everyone agrees that I am an Ne dom. I actually contacted simulated world on PerN and he told me that I was an ENFP in an Ne<Te loop. The only problem is that I feel like my Te is trash.
    Yeah you and I are in the same boat, paddling towards a collective of suns. But I dont see Te either, yet ENFP possibly makes more sense for me than ENTP.
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    I don't know if it has anything to do with a correlation to Enneagram, but I think it's perfectly normal to develop the the tertiary function to the same strength (if not more than) the auxiliary. I'm not sure why this happens, except to say that variations in the types are more numerous than the rigid hierarchical functional dynamic theory would let you think. I think I've mentioned this in our discussions about this over at PerC, but I'd say my Ni is just as strong as, if not stronger than, Se at times...it gives the impression that I'm an NT, and people have expressed surprise that I'm not a supposed "N".

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    It is impossible to develop a tertiary function before the auxiliary because you need your auxiliary to help guide your thought process. Usually auxiliary develops around the age of 5-7 anyway, so I highly doubt that you never developed Ti as an ENTP. It is possible for phobic ENTPs to get stuck in a Ne-Fe loop, in which your focus is entirely on external abstract concepts (often seeking spiritual ideals or trying to 'solve' troubled people) and ignore your internal logic and personal ideas. This is a very unhealthy pattern that tends to occur in people who are psychologically damaged in some way. It's not a normal way for anybody to develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Yeah you and I are in the same boat, paddling towards a collective of suns. But I dont see Te either, yet ENFP possibly makes more sense for me than ENTP.
    The difference is that I actually act pretty damn ENTP though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    The difference is that I actually act pretty damn ENTP though.
    Yeah this is the only thing that's different between us. Most people would say I lack a certain...'sharpness' that ENTP's possess.

    The thing is I do push buttons and have a faecitious sense of humour, but it seems very surpressed compared to what I see an ENTP to be like. I think in my case it is more to do with my countries culture of 'taking the piss' which each and every one of us is exposed to all our lives here. It's not so much about being thick skinned as it is a collective opinion that if you take anything jocular seriously, there is something wrong with you. Of course given human nature, it is more like collective hypocrisy.

    This isn't really related to any type by the way, but there is a part of me that loves to be insulting, to tear up falsity and shove social norms in peoples faces. I despise being polite when im really pissed off, it's completely dishonest and serves no purpose but to grind up an individual inside. Take it out on those who deserve it, as soon as it comes, ive found that's the best method.

    Just wish I could adhere to it at ALL times. Often I hypocritically dont.
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