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    Alright, I'll throw in my two cents as someone who's certain about her identity as INTP. Perhaps you'll find 'em to be of use...

    One thing that really stands out to me from your results is that you prefer Fi to Fe. While Fe IS the INTP's inferior function, Fi is supposedly one of INTP's "shadow functions," meaning it belongs among the INTP's bottom four functions (among all the eight functions, at least according to MBTI). To rephrase that, the INTP's top four preferred function are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe, and the other four (Te, Ni, Se, and Fi) must be less pronounced, at least according to the ze theories. The catch is that:
    1) from my understanding of Fe and Fi, they are mutually exclusive processes, and
    2) if you really do prefer Fi over Fe, chances are you aren't INTP.

    My guess is that you don't have an accurate understanding of Fi and/or Fe... which I can sympathize with, because I had the same problem a few years back. But after reading a number of LONG threads on Fe VS Fi, it became crystal clear to me that I prefer Fe over Fi. While I do have an understanding of how Fi operates, I often have trouble relating to the whole process. With Fe, however, relating is a lot easier.

    Making the distinction between Fe and Fi may be difficult, especially when both processes lead to the same "conclusions." But the underlying assumptions and mental "workings" in action are very, very different. I'm too not confident in my ability to articulate the difference between the two, and strongly recommend you to read (many) threads on Fe VS Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Alright, I'll throw in my two cents as someone who's certain about her identity as INTP. Perhaps you'll find 'em to be of use...

    One thing that really stands out to me from your results is that you prefer Fi to Fe. While Fe IS the INTP's inferior function, Fi is supposedly one of INTP's "shadow functions," meaning it belongs among the INTP's bottom four functions (among all the eight functions, at least according to MBTI). To rephrase that, the INTP's top four preferred function are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe, and the other four (Te, Ni, Se, and Fi) must be less pronounced, at least according to the ze theories. The catch is that:
    1) from my understanding of Fe and Fi, they are mutually exclusive processes, and
    2) if you really do prefer Fi over Fe, chances are you aren't INTP.
    Thanks for the input Copperfish, appreciated. Few inputs from my side. I am an introvert. That part at least is defensibly clear. Nor am a Judging type. So I am, in all probability, an IxxP. I idle around too much and am a terrible planner to be a Sensor: even making to a simple meeting makes me anxious until the meeting starts; strangely, once it starts I usually breeze through though. Also, even the little plans I make, I seldom execute them: simplest grocery shopping to laundry. But once I am interested in knowing something, I can undertake remarkable hardship. But this surge lasts until I understand the general scheme of things (or latch on to something even more fun). Once that is done, I would be very *happy* to share it to some people I know (and hear their views): it is both an emotional as well intellectual need. Acknowledgement and the resulting happiness is emotional. The feedback and a possibly better collective understanding is intellectual. I also have strong intuition and rely on it for a greater extend. So I am *likely* an INxP -- unless I managed to fool myself royally. Let me know if that is the reasonable stand to take.



    My guess is that you don't have an accurate understanding of Fi and/or Fe... which I can sympathize with, because I had the same problem a few years back. But after reading a number of LONG threads on Fe VS Fi, it became crystal clear to me that I prefer Fe over Fi. While I do have an understanding of how Fi operates, I often have trouble relating to the whole process. With Fe, however, relating is a lot easier.
    I can understand why someone might feel certain way, but I can't understand 'how' they feel the emotions per se. I can see that someone is in (emotional) pain, but even if I would be inwardly thinking what they feel is self-brought/avoidable, I can go through the usual consolation motions and finally give some solutions; that is if I cared + close enough and if I see you can see the reason. If am just expected to just console, I do not know I would fare better; not giving solutions would just frustrate me.

    I can not even 'understand' how *I* am going to react in a hypothetical situation. I avoid such questions at all costs. But I can 'relate' to emotions -- these are case by case and sometime involve few things that I myself feel 'emotionally' attached to: freedom/dignity/equality/privacy. These attachments change over time. These emotions have the potential to drive me to (possibly illogical) actions and are scary.

    Just a warning: do *not* go by my writing. I may have strong views about certain aspects, but I may or may not argue for it. What I feel is immaterial, what all matters is what 'understanding' I have *of* what I speak. Also, arguing for a view doesn't necessarily mean I feel that way. In fact, I am known for arguing just to establish the lack of sufficient evidence and/or subjectivity. It is a routine thing that at the end of arguments we largely wind up with nothing-further-can-be-said-about-the-subject. This alienates the fellow fielders on *my side* as well because they think that I think they argue for all incorrect 'reasons'. But all I am saying is that I considered their POV and it doesn't hold water they expect it to. I may not argue at if I understood things better or they are idiots -- even on issues that I feel highly emotional about. I have consistently been criticized of being overly rational -- across the spectrum.

    But this emotional armour has numerous chinks. Sometimes I just can not control what I feel; sad. But I am good hiding my emotions, so it doesn't show up and all is fine. But my this rationalisation is _really_ helpful when you choose/forced to act OR explain away your inaction. But there are large number of cases where I act and *then* just make a quick, convincing argument; I hate these moments. May be this (over) rationalisation vulnerability filter is coming out as Fi? I definitely would NOT want to be seen as someone illogical: I in fact just be that except for the some of these strong emotions. But am currently fairly close to it: I don't show emotions and *can* dress up my feelings promptly with a suitably weaker set of 'values'. It is a good on-the-feet exercise!
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    Making the distinction between Fe and Fi may be difficult, especially when both processes lead to the same "conclusions." But the underlying assumptions and mental "workings" in action are very, very different. I'm too not confident in my ability to articulate the difference between the two, and strongly recommend you to read (many) threads on Fe VS Fi.
    Sadly they are all winding natural language statements and are very *very* ambiguous. I have tough time interpreting them in a unique, consistent way. I even had the trouble with the test itself: some of the questions are so vague and are mighty general. Ambiguity is just my first nature.

    But thanks again for the comments and help me narrow down considerably. I *am* my current obsession, looks like and would be nice to develop some clarity..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Glad to help, anarion.

    Trick is to avoid giving your data more power than your objectives. When anomalies happen, take them in stride (actually, it's good when your data has discernible variance). Don't let them muddle your perception. Goal is to find truth.

    Certainty is just another word for 'trust'. To have more certainty, trust what you know and accept your mistakes.


    Those anomalies might just be the sign of something deeper and that deeper thing might just be the truth.

    I *can* accept my mistakes, but trust what you 'know', well, that is bit tricky Night, at least for me! There is just SO much I don't know -- even about myself. When I said knowing myself, I meant it in a critical, *rigorous* way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarion View Post
    Once that is done, I would be very *happy* to share it to some people I know (and hear their views): it is both an emotional as well intellectual need. Acknowledgement and the resulting happiness is emotional. The feedback and a possibly better collective understanding is intellectual. I also have strong intuition and rely on it for a greater extend. So I am *likely* an INxP -- unless I managed to fool myself royally. Let me know if that is the reasonable stand to take.

    But this emotional armour has numerous chinks. Sometimes I just can not control what I feel; sad. But I am good hiding my emotions, so it doesn't show up and all is fine. But my this rationalisation is _really_ helpful when you choose/forced to act OR explain away your inaction. But there are large number of cases where I act and *then* just make a quick, convincing argument; I hate these moments. May be this (over) rationalisation vulnerability filter is coming out as Fi? I definitely would NOT want to be seen as someone illogical: I in fact just be that except for the some of these strong emotions. But am currently fairly close to it: I don't show emotions and *can* dress up my feelings promptly with a suitably weaker set of 'values'. It is a good on-the-feet exercise!
    Sounds INTP to me. And quite a few INTPs score higher on Fi than Fe. It seems to be a trend and someone explained to me as the heavy influence that Ti has on Fe, to give it an Fi-like flavor. But it's not really Fi. Talk to an Fi-dom for a while, you'll notice the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperfish17 View Post
    Alright, I'll throw in my two cents as someone who's certain about her identity as INTP. Perhaps you'll find 'em to be of use...

    One thing that really stands out to me from your results is that you prefer Fi to Fe. While Fe IS the INTP's inferior function, Fi is supposedly one of INTP's "shadow functions," meaning it belongs among the INTP's bottom four functions (among all the eight functions, at least according to MBTI). To rephrase that, the INTP's top four preferred function are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe, and the other four (Te, Ni, Se, and Fi) must be less pronounced, at least according to the ze theories. The catch is that:
    1) from my understanding of Fe and Fi, they are mutually exclusive processes, and
    2) if you really do prefer Fi over Fe, chances are you aren't INTP.
    So maybe I'm mistyped then. I swear the more Fi vs Fe threads I read, the more confused I get. I really relate to the descriptions for dominant Ti and auxilary Ne yet I can never firmly place myself on the Fi vs Fe spectrum. If I'm an INTP, according to theory, I would be an Fe user yet I find myself relating to alot of the Fi descriptions. I have considered INFP but really don't think I'm that type since my Ti is too strong and prefer Ti to Te. Is it just poorly written Fi descriptions? Poor self-understanding? Both? I took one cognitive function test that actually put Fi on the top of my function order.

    I wonder if it's more common for INTPs to have trouble with Fi vs Fe because Fe is the inferior function and since it's the inferior, it's more difficult to use the function constructively and the Fe descriptions seem to describe people who use it in a more constructive manner? I think if you're dominant Fi, you'll have no problem determining that you prefer Fi to Fe. Likewise, if you're a dominant Fe, you can probably determine quite easily that you prefer Fe to Fi. I'm a dominant Ti, and have no problem determining that I prefer Ti to Te. When the function is your inferior, I think it gets trickier to determine which one you really prefer.

    I don't think think this is true for all INTPs, but I do think its true for some.
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