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    Default ENTPs and Authority

    The ENTP with whom I work seems to always be sucking up to authority figures. He seems to be forever carrying news and gossiping about others with the authority figures and with subordinates and colleagues on an equal level he seems to be always either indirectly threatening to report some minor and I mean really thing they did to someone more senior. I am an INFJ who have no particular respect for authority; I thought that ENTPs were likely to be a bit anti-authority too only to find that not even the ISFJs I know seem to be sycophantic and obsequious with authority. What is going on here? Is this some kind of shadow ENTP behavior linked to fourth function Si?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ten View Post
    The ENTP with whom I work seems to always be sucking up to authority figures. He seems to be forever carrying news and gossiping about others with the authority figures and with subordinates and colleagues on an equal level he seems to be always either indirectly threatening to report some minor and I mean really thing they did to someone more senior. I am an INFJ who have no particular respect for authority; I thought that ENTPs were likely to be a bit anti-authority too only to find that not even the ISFJs I know seem to be sycophantic and obsequious with authority. What is going on here? Is this some kind of shadow ENTP behavior linked to fourth function Si?
    Layers on this post.

    ENTP's despise authority, on the grounds they feel individual action is important.

    ENTP's love authority, on grounds they want people to act like them.

    Example: they suck up to upper management, to gain higher ground to influence more people. The influence being... Don't listen to me.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Ten
    He seems to be forever carrying news and gossiping about others
    So you came online to gossip about a guy who gossips.
    Sure, that makes sense.

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    entp are the most rational of rational in that element. it's only perceived as a suck up. if it was visa versa, the other may see it as a suck up when, the whole time, they're neutral. they get along for the sake of civilization. because civilization is rational.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Layers on this post.

    ENTP's despise authority, on the grounds they feel individual action is important.

    ENTP's love authority, on grounds they want people to act like them.

    Example: they suck up to upper management, to gain higher ground to influence more people. The influence being... Don't listen to me.....
    I'd tend to agree, when I think of the ENTP's I know. None of them particularly like authority, but they know how to "play the game", or so they say. They see the advantages of getting on the boss's good side, just for when it may come in handy. They probably don't see any benefit in getting on their bad side, for good reason.

    Although I did have one ENTP friend that just genuinely looked up and admired his INTJ boss. It's another possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ten View Post
    The ENTP with whom I work seems to always be sucking up to authority figures. He seems to be forever carrying news and gossiping about others with the authority figures and with subordinates and colleagues on an equal level he seems to be always either indirectly threatening to report some minor and I mean really thing they did to someone more senior. I am an INFJ who have no particular respect for authority; I thought that ENTPs were likely to be a bit anti-authority too only to find that not even the ISFJs I know seem to be sycophantic and obsequious with authority. What is going on here? Is this some kind of shadow ENTP behavior linked to fourth function Si?
    Thats not a entp problem. Thats a problem of enneagram 6 and enneagram 3.

    I never suck up to authority unless it serves some purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ten View Post
    The ENTP with whom I work seems to always be sucking up to authority figures. He seems to be forever carrying news and gossiping about others with the authority figures and with subordinates and colleagues on an equal level he seems to be always either indirectly threatening to report some minor and I mean really thing they did to someone more senior. I am an INFJ who have no particular respect for authority; I thought that ENTPs were likely to be a bit anti-authority too only to find that not even the ISFJs I know seem to be sycophantic and obsequious with authority. What is going on here? Is this some kind of shadow ENTP behavior linked to fourth function Si?
    MBTI won't be able to answer your question because MBTI is not psychology, it is a technology.

    It is not concerned with why a person chooses an end, It is only concerned with how they arrive at it via the 4 dimensions.

    I see this bigotry everywhere. That a certain MBTI type should, could and will act a certain way. And then when the evidence shows otherwise, they start to massage the definitions of MBTI to make the picture fit.

    MBTI types are not categories to generalize people.

    That ENTP, is a very insecure dipshit who uses fear and intimidation to get his promotions, not on his own merits. Why? Because he knows that he is already at a job that he cannot do confidently. Accept this, and move along accordingly.

    If you express this issue with his superiors, and nothing is done, then the management cancer goes all the way up. Perhaps not by intent, but by indifference. Tyrants looooove indifference people. Watch out.
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    I'm not buying that they are 'just playing the game', at least not all of the time. I do think that ENTP tends to challenge authority, but will ultimately fall in line when pressure is applied.. not as a function of clever Ti, but tertiary Fe.

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    They do things if they make sense to them. Only.
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    When I bring information about things my subordinates are doing to the person I work for, it's to seek advice for the best way to handle it because I have a lot of respect for the person I work for.

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