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    There are multiple ways of delivering the truth however.

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    To the OP, when talking to F's: use your empathy.

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    Okay, I made a minor realization while talking to a friend the other day. I was trying to explain to him one of my random complex theories. It was like pulling teeth, but he I think he understood it. At the end of our discussions he reiterated my thought in his own words with lots of skepticism and told me that I just needed to explain it better. The conversation was on gchat, so I went back and reread the conversation over and over again. Everything I said made perfect sense to me. I used lots of analogies, reiterated paradigms, defined my terminology, ect. I noticed that he was very presumptuous, and the things that I thought proved something he thought didnt prove a thing. I am pretty sure he is an ESTP.

    My question is, What does it take for different types to accept something as true? For me it is logical consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv255 View Post
    Okay, I made a minor realization while talking to a friend the other day. I was trying to explain to him one of my random complex theories. It was like pulling teeth, but he I think he understood it. At the end of our discussions he reiterated my thought in his own words with lots of skepticism and told me that I just needed to explain it better. The conversation was on gchat, so I went back and reread the conversation over and over again. Everything I said made perfect sense to me. I used lots of analogies, reiterated paradigms, defined my terminology, ect. I noticed that he was very presumptuous, and the things that I thought proved something he thought didnt prove a thing. I am pretty sure he is an ESTP.

    My question is, What does it take for different types to accept something as true? For me it is logical consistency.
    Ah, that sounds familiar! Yeah, that style doesn't work as well for non-NTs. And for the most part, it works very badly on me!

    I don't know about other types, but SJs generally prefer concrete evidence, or at least evidence from a trustworthy source -- e.g. a respected newspaper. Here is a skeptical SJ, for reference.
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    1. Use open ended language
    B. Be genuinely interested in the other person.
    3. Look for commonalities in experience or belief
    D. Listen
    5. Listen
    F. Listen
    7. Look for the best in people and see them at their best
    H. Compliment people genuinely and accept their compliments
    9. Read up on body language and use open non-confrontational body language

    That's all I've got for now.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Hello,

    Grandma used to always tell me ¨If you don´t have nothing nice to say, then keep it to yourself¨.

    That said, stay positive and constructive whenever possible. I used to blurt out things when I was younger and got myself into quite a bit of trouble socially. Now when I say something I try to ask myself first, whats my point? If it´s not positive or constructive, rethink saying it all or ¨reword¨ it.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft

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    I personally try not to deliver truth like blunt force trauma to the other party's skull. Another thing I have realized is...choose your battles. Not every situation calls for the truth to even come out. Sure, I far prefer it. But biting my tongue and learning to let it slide on by makes life more pleasant. I'm not going to say I don't beat someone like a gong with my perspective on occasion-can't always keep myself in check and sometimes I am convinced it must be done. Sometimes I am feeling salty and forget my own advice, as well. Default mode can overridden, though. Listening to the other party and finding some common ground before approaching your dissent is also a bit gentler, really. Delivery counts for a lot. I like what someone said about looking more pleasant in your appearance. Cheap trick, yes. Workable? Damn straight.

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