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    I, too, agree with @Usehername's earlier quote.

    My dad is a Christian INTP 5w4. He never, ever talks about his religious beliefs in terms of denomination, but I get the impression that he is probably a non-churchgoing Episcopalian. My mom, an Episcopal church organist, was obviously much more involved with church-related activities than him (especially since weekly volunteer work got in the way of his going to church on Sundays), but looking back on everything, he was just as serious about instilling me with a particular variant of Christian values (loving your neighbor, helping the needy) as my mom -- and he worked at a nonprofit that had a vague religious attachment to it, that he would emphasize.

    I think his feelings about religion are very similar to his feelings about politics -- and that the two belief sets tend to influence each other, e.g. in the form of liberation theology and Christian socialism.
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    I do believe there's higher being but why god? How can God give life? ummm you were born cause mommy and daddy had sex. It's really not that miracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    I used to be. Then I grew up. I see religious belief of any kind as a failure to κατήργηκέναι τὰ τοῦ νηπίου...
    *κατάργηση κεναι τὰ τοῦ νηπίου or *κατάργηση και τὰ τοῦ νηπίου according to Google translate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    My dad is a Christian INTP 5w4. He never, ever talks about his religious beliefs in terms of denomination, but I get the impression that he is probably a non-churchgoing Episcopalian. My mom, an Episcopal church organist, was obviously much more involved with church-related activities than him (especially since weekly volunteer work got in the way of his going to church on Sundays), but looking back on everything, he was just as serious about instilling me with a particular variant of Christian values (loving your neighbor, helping the needy) as my mom -- and he worked at a nonprofit that had a vague religious attachment to it, that he would emphasize. I think his feelings about religion are very similar to his feelings about politics -- and that the two belief sets tend to influence each other, e.g. in the form of liberation theology and Christian socialism.[/
    That sounds like where I've drifted throughout life, starting in the a situation more like your mom's, and the more I "cam into my own" and really figured out what I believed and how I wanted to respond to it, I find I have a template of values that align with general values of Christianity but I'm not really interested in the politics, the organizational aspects, the social navigation through Christian culture, I'm just interested in the spiritual essence. I feel like organized religion tries to make truth too tangible and specific and then gets attached to the symbols and rules and trappings, for me to live within it for too long.

    In the culture I started in, "liberation theology" was openly called a heresy/perversion, but later I saw value in it... both that and the communal aspects of Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmanyo View Post
    *κατάργηση κεναι τὰ τοῦ νηπίου or *κατάργηση και τὰ τοῦ νηπίου according to Google translate.
    Google won't be able to translate Common Attic for you, I'm afraid. I don't know what the alternatives you're offering are about.

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    Ha, nice. Google is not all-powerful, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That sounds like where I've drifted throughout life, starting in the a situation more like your mom's, and the more I "cam into my own" and really figured out what I believed and how I wanted to respond to it, I find I have a template of values that align with general values of Christianity but I'm not really interested in the politics, the organizational aspects, the social navigation through Christian culture, I'm just interested in the spiritual essence. I feel like organized religion tries to make truth too tangible and specific and then gets attached to the symbols and rules and trappings, for me to live within it for too long.

    In the culture I started in, "liberation theology" was openly called a heresy/perversion, but later I saw value in it... both that and the communal aspects of Christianity.
    I've got an INTP(?) friend who seems to have the same outlook in his Seventh Day Adventist career. He gets some sort of value from only certain aspects of his religion and has his own framework on how the whole thing works that doesn't agree with their teachings. Yet, he remains and even teaches Sunday School. Of course, his wife, her family and his family are very devout. He has his whole life tied into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I've got an INTP(?) friend who seems to have the same outlook in his Seventh Day Adventist career. He gets some sort of value from only certain aspects of his religion and has his own framework on how the whole thing works that doesn't agree with their teachings. Yet, he remains and even teaches Sunday School. Of course, his wife, her family and his family are very devout. He has his whole life tied into it.
    I think the majority of people are like that, not just in relation to religion but other significant belief systems and norms. Its the only way that I can in my own mind reconcile the individual and social. There's always going to be contradictions, inconsistencies and imperfection, although if there's relative congruence there's no need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmanyo View Post
    Ha, nice. Google is not all-powerful, I guess.


    "κατήργηκέναι τὰ τοῦ νηπίου..." is taken from the famous:

    "ὅτε ἥμην νήπιος, ἐλάλουν ὡς νήπιος, ἐφρόνουν ὡς νήπιος, ἐλογιζόμην ὡς νήπιος· ὅτε γέγονα ἀνήρ, κατήργηκα τὰ τοῦ νηπίου"

    which the NIV renders "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."



    Not exactly a translation I think very good, but you get the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I don't think NTs are any less religious than any other MBT group.

    I think our religious poll numbers are artificially lowered due to the NT personality description attracting those who idolize and worship NT tendencies. I think they assume these characteristics are supreme and correct and just and that these characteristics are incompatible with religion. This is ironic, of course, because they're actively worshiping a Jungian identity invention instead of a bread-and-butter genre of god. This means that, perhaps, NT types are more religious than any other personality group.

    Regardless, I'm an NT Christian and there are tons of us. We're not rare.
    Great point!

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